---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Envelope-to: •••@••.••• Delivered-To: •••@••.••• Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:49:31 -0700 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: S Culver <•••@••.•••> Subject: Wellstone's death Former Chief Speech Writer for George H.W. Bush, Peggy Noonan, comments on Wellstone http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212525 ...It's good to have men and women of belief in Congress. It's tragic to lose one. It's amazing to live in a time when these Allen Drury-type "Advise and Consent" plot twists yank the drama of the coming election off its predictable tracks. And it seems to me more and more in our country that we're getting these dramatic and unpredictable and novelistic plot changes, whatever that means and for whatever it's worth... =========== http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/10.26Ab.Paul.Wellstone.htm ...no one can help but recall the death of Democratic Senatorial candidate Mel Carahan in 2000. Locked in a tight senate race against now Attorney General John Ashcroft, Carnahan too was killed in a similar plane crash. That crash coming, as this one, just days prior to the election. Carnahan's wife Jean stood in for him as allowed under Missouri state law and defeated Ashcroft to become senator. =========== Portland IMC Feature: "SENATOR PAUL WELLSTONE KILLED IN PLANE CRASH; FOUL PLAY SUSPECTED" http://portland.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=29306&group=webcast ... One commenter states that local corporate media in Minnesota "reported that at the time of the crash, visibilty was 3 to 4 miles, the ceiling was 200 to 400 feet, and the temperature was 34 degrees. The weatherman on this station then plainly said that iceing only occurs when the temperature is between 28 and 31 degrees." ...a key detail in an ABC news story was changed: A quote: "The pilot had reported no problems before and there was no severe weather in the area at the time, the Federal Aviation Administration said. " Now the same story says this: "The cause of the crash was not immediately known, but sources (which sources? - P.O.) told ABCNEWS that during the pre-flight weather briefing, the pilots were told they they would have "adverse icing conditions throughout the flight." "Dr. Watson" observes: "Sherlock Holmes solved at least one case by noticing that something that should be present was missing. In the Hound of the Baskervilles, he solved the case by noticing that no one reported a barking dog. So what's missing in terms of the Wellstone plane crash? For the last 14 months, anytime there has been a plane crash, the media go way overboard in assuming that this must somehow be a terrorist incident. The initial reaction of the media in the first hours of the event is always now "oh my, I hope this isn't happening again. I hope this isn't another terrorist attack." Just a few days ago, there was a news story that Al-Queda may be targeting US Senators. The story referred to the possibilities of sniper attacks on golf courses. Just a few days later, a US Senator dies. So, what's missing? Sen. Wellstone's plane crashes, and there is absolutely no speculation that this is a terrorist attack. Somehow the media immediately knows that this plane crash was caused by bad weather, and this is in no way a terrorist attack. The media dog has been barking "terrorist" steadily for 14 months. Today the dog didn't bark. ============ http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212486 comment#212494 ...If there is NO investigation, then what should we conclude? If one of most important politicians in the US dies in a plane crash and there IS NO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, then shame, shame, shame on the nation. The big lie is that we have an independent media which gives us all sides, and properly applies its investigatory power to give us the truth. The lie is the cover up. You appear not to be even interested IN THE POSSIBILITY that Wellstone was murdered. I am not saying he is. I am saying it is possible. We certainly have MOTIVE. That is the issue. =========== http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212490 ...Can anyone not totally brainwashed believe this is a coincidence - less than two weeks before a critical election, with Wellstone surging ahead in the polls. This was murder. I do not know how. I do not know by whom. But murder, it most surely was. This is it, folks, war has been declared on us by those among us who seek to give absolute power to a fascist regime that wants to plunge us and the world into an eternal war to fuel their own lust for wealth and power. If America allows this murder to go unaddressed, uninvestigated by unbiased, thorough investigators in a search for facts open at every turn to the public, then our nation is doomed. The Nazis are here to stay. Who then, will be next? Will Wellstone's less courageous colleagues in Congress finally now find the guts and conscience to speak up and demand justice? Their fallen brother deserved their support on October 11 and failed to get it. Will they give it now? God and America are watching. ...69% of Public thinks GOP Killed Wellstone: A poll taken by an online edition of a St. Paul major daily newspaper shows that ALREADY - 69% of those polled believe that Wellstone was killed by the GOP. And that was out of choices that included bad weather, terrorists, act of God, etc. This may prove to be the worst mistake the GOP ever made...and the best thing to happen to the cause of justice. People will NOT stand for this. http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212489 ========= 10/26 http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212583 FOX AND CNN SEVERELY LIMIT COVERAGE OF WELLSTONE CRASH SITE Greta Van Sustrand, during ON THE RECORD, said, of Wellstone, <<They did not like his politics, but members of the House and Senate all agreed his was a class act.>> So no one liked his politics?? That gives you all you need to know about how this alleged assassination will be covered. [The word alleged is used by journalists who do not wish to draw conclusions about the issue at hand.] Sustrand introduced a correspondant on the scene of the crash, who she called Steve. For those who have not followed the story of the on-the-scene reporting, here is a review: A CNN reporter who was on the scene just after the crash story broke during the afternoon, said, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WEATHER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CRASH. Wolf Blitzer said, But the plane was flying into some sort of ice storm, was it not? The reporter repeated the same assertion. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WEATHER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CRASH. CNN cut away from that reporter, who was not heard from again. Nor was any other reporter PRESENT AT THE SCENE OF THE CRASH heard from the rest of the evening on CNN. No photos of the site, no pictures, even though a reporter was there in daylight hours. FOX News, just prior to 11:00 p.m., aired a brief interview with its on-the-scene reporter. You would think, since this is a story about plane crash, that the press would provide detailed information about what can be seen AT THE CRASH SITE. The Fox reporter at the scene told the audience that members from the Federal task force have arrived, but would not examine the crash site until morning. HAS ANYONE FROM MINNESOTA EXAMINED THE SITE? Had the Fox reporter examined the site? Van Sustrand did not ask any questions about the plane wreckage, which FOX cameras did not show. Does Fox not have lights it can shine on the wreckage of Wellstones plane? (Remember: No one liked Wellstones politics. So if he was killed, we do not want the public to know). Fox wants to <<look at Wellstones legacy, and how his death will affect the political landscape.>> Are they at all interested in HOW he died? WXOW news reported an hour ago, <<The crash site is in a remote location, so investigators are having a tough time combing through the wreckage. >> I thought they were not going to investigate until morning. Do they want to CLEAN THINGS UP?? http://www.wxow.com/news/display.php?id=244 According to a report in the Seattle Post Intelligencer, filed seven minutes ago, <<At the site, FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said there was no indication the crash was related to terrorism. He also said it would take time to recover the bodies, which remained in the wreckage late Friday.>> That was a bit premature, was it not? How do they know the crash was not related to terrorism? Perhaps it is customary in government sponsored assassinations to dismiss any suggestions of foul play. Who heads the FBI? Ashcroft? Is he more or less trustworthy than Hoover? Elsewhere in the Seattle Post Intelligencer, we read: <<The pilots called the Eveleth-Virginia airport to get clearance for landing when they were about seven miles out and they reported no problems, said Gary Ulman, who was on duty at the airport at the time. When the plane didn't land, Ulman said, he took off in a plane to search for it. He soon saw smoke. <The wreckage was scattered and fully engulfed in flames,> Ulman said. <Just looking at it, it would take a miracle to survive it.> >> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Wel lstone%20Crash So the wreckage was scattered. But this contradicts the testimony on CNN, aired earlier this evening by a Sheriff, who claimed he visted the site. He said he saw the wreckage all contained in a narrow area. This Sheriff appeared to me to be very nervous. Three hours ago, Reuters UK reported, <<Charlie Weaver, commissioner of public safety for Minnesota, said there was no indication what caused the crash. Kevin Smith, spokesman for the Department of Public Safety, added that there was <no indication and no intelligence> to indicate that the crash was an act of terrorism. >> No indication of what caused the crash? If that is so, then how is possible to discount an act of terrorism (or murder, for that matter)? http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=politicsnews&StoryID=1636518 Does anyone really think terrorists would kill Wellstone? And if so what kind of terrorists? Is this phrase-- no indication of terrorism-- really code, for no indication of an assassination attempt? And is it not being pronounced prematurely? Is Kevin Smith dismissing all kinds of terrorism? Or just Arab terrorism? How about US state sponsored terrorism? Do you think Democratic Senators and Representatives who oppose the current administration might not be feeling a bit of fear right now (or perhaps even out right terror)? If the death of Wellstone was not contrived, we must be at least a bit puzzled by the huge surge in stock market prices when the news of his death caused joy in the hearts of the plutocrats. Daniel Gross writes, on Slate, <<Did the market rally Friday afternoon because Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., one of the nation's most honest and useful public servants, died in a plane crash? You won't find any analysts making this case on CNBC this afternoon, on Wall Street Week With Fortune tonight, or in Barron's tomorrow. Repulsive as it may be, I can't help but think that it did. The Dow rose steadily after the news of the crash came over the wires, eventually closing up 127 points on the day. >> http://slate.msn.com/?id=2073185&device= IMC Twin Cities has its work cut out for it. You guys have got to get your people out there to interview the witnesses, and see just how far the wreckage is spread out. Why is the federal government taking over? Do any Minnesota legal agencies have jurisdiction? The FBI is already there? What about local reporters and local law agencies? I am looking at CNN, and am fascinated by the fact that the on-the-site coverage is much more thorough for the killings in Russia than the crash in the US. This is rather unprecedented. Usually US events get to occupy the front burner. I think there was total of about two minutes of live reporting from the crash scene in Minnesota on CNN between 3:30 and midnight. CNN has covered the Russian story live, on the scene, for almost an hour now. Do not get me wrong. I would normally be pleased that the US is giving prominence to a foreign story. But I cannot help thinking that on-the-scene reporters near the crash site in Minnesota would have plenty to say. But-- horror of horrors-- they might raise too many questions. They might try to work out the contradictions regarding claims about the weather. (The officials emphasize the existence of snow or rain. Independent reports say there was little rain or none. The doppler showed completely clear skies at the time over the whole of Minnesota. I saw it myself online. Others have said the same thing.) Reporters might ask questions about the wreckage. Some reports say it was scattered. Some say it was confined in a tight area. One reporter said the plane was split in two. Another said it was smashed into ruins. A third said, the fuselage was intact. What about photos and camera shots of the wreckage? Does anyone have any? The Wellstone crash needs a thorough investigation. Assassination appears to be a real possibility. To those who do not like conspiracy theories, I am only suggesting we need to know what happened. Any good safety commissioner would suggest the same. So would any good police officer. Too bad we do not have any good journalists on the corporate controlled airwaves to say this. I will conclude with a few more questions that need answering. According to KRON San Francisco, <<F-B-I Agent Paul McCabe says he has no knowledge of any distress calls being received before the crash.>> Does this not imply a rather sudden disaster, such as an explosion? But McCabe said there was no indication of terrorism. <<McCabe says the plane is sitting in a wooded area typical of the region. But he says the terrain nearby will make the investigation a bit more difficult. He calls it a <real unpleasant piece of property> -- with swampland forcing investigators to use all-terrain vehicles to get in and out.>> McCabe says the plane burned after it crashed, so the fuselage suffered a lot of damage. He says recovery of the eight bodies won't happen in <the immediate future.> >> If the terrain is so difficult to examine, then why is he so quick to jump to conclusions regarding the cause of the crash? And if the bodies are not in the plane, or near the plane, does that also imply an explosion above ground, which scattered the bodies at some distance from where the fuselage landed? Was a bomb not a possibility? If not why not? http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=987155&nav=8ob89GMq ================ http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212408 We can answer D.L. 12:15pm Fri Oct 25 '02 comment#212422 Here is recent information: BREAKING NEWS. THE CREWS ON THE GROUND FOUND TWO LARGE SECTIONS OF PLANE. THE TAIL SECTION WAS INTACT. THE WEATHER DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CRASH, SAID THE ON THE SCENE REPORTER. Wolf Blitzer tried to correct her. He said, The plane was flying into the storm of freezing rain, right? THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WEATHER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CRASH. The on-the-scene reporter stuck to her guns. Wonder how long she will have her job? Is crashed plane, split into two parts more consistent with an explosion on the plane, or with a plane crashing due to weather difficulties? CNN explains why Wellstone might have been assassinated. One CNN anchor called Wellstone the most liberal Senator--- saying he was even more liberal than Ted Kennedy!! He was called courageous, and spoken of as putting himself at risk for opposing the President when he voted against war. Not long ago, it appeared that Wellstoneâ s vote against the war would hurt his candidacy. Recent polling data indicated that this was not the case, and CNN did not discount the possibility that he was assassinated. The death of Wellstone will enable the Republicans to gain control of the Senate. Wellstone was called by CNN, a champion of worker rights, of national health care, and of parity for mental and health insurance for all citizens. Could such a progressive stance, almost unheard of in the Senate, have incited a plot to assassinate him. He was called, the friend of the little guy, and of unions. He fought against international sex trafficking. C-Span was hosting a live conference on the elections when the news broke. One spokesperson for the Republicans spoke of the sadness which Americans must feel at the death of Wellstone. Meanwhile, the face of this party operative betrayed no sadness whatsoever; rather he appeared very tranquil and almost pleased. CNN spoke of the stances which Wellstone took in connection with great risks, great dangers, and personal courage, which he faced as a result of his contrarian positions. People can read between the lines. Wolf Blitzer, the cover man for CNN-- who always smoothes things over to put them in conformity with the establishment view-- read a list of many politicians who have died in plane crashes. Blitzer clearly wanted to establish this as a normal event, an accident, not due to any political machinations. However, Blitzers approach clearly contrasted with that of other anchors who spoke in detail of his risky, dangerous, and courageous stances, which could have had serious consequences from him. No CNN anchor has yet openly suggested assassination; but the implication has been near the surface. A number of aviation experts, following Blitzer, suggest that the pilots did not turn on the anti-ice. It was suggested that the work load on this flight must have been high, because the pilot had to turn on the anti-ice, and might have decided not to, to get to a higher altitude. One anchor suggested weather problems. Though independent journalists have said that the weather was normal. The plane MIGHT have sat on the run way and accumulated ice, which was not cleaned off, said one so called expert. It appeared to me that they were clutching at straws. The flimsiness of official explanations must inevitably lead the thinking observer to consider the possibility of assassination. Vermont Senator Patrick Leahy was asked to comment on Wellstone, in an interview on CNN, at 2:35 p.m. Unlike others, he appeared very emotional, and upset. (Is he worried that he might be next on a list of possible targets, as well?) Leahy said, Whether you agreed with him politically, you had to like him. He was honest. He was not interested in the trappings of the power. He was not self interested. He was concerned about Health Care, the Environment, the Minimum Wage. He was committed. Leahy was in tears, and had to pause, to collect himself. Blitzer said, I can see you are all choked up. We all are. (Blitzer did not appear to be at all choked up or emotional). Blitzer said, He was a committed man, who worked hard to advance his agenda. Is that supposed to part of a eulogy? If Bush had died, would he not say, Bush was a man who worked hard for all Americans? Was Wellstone simply advancing HIS OWN AGENDA? A more charitable view would be, he was advancing the agenda of real working people, of people without health care coverage, the agenda of the laboring majority, working for substandard wages. The plane which Wellstone flew was reported to be: Raytheon craft, A-100 model. Is there some irony here? Raytheon, more than almost any other company, would suffer huge profit losses, if the Wellstone anti-war stance comes to dominate national politics. The tone on CNN had become maudlin by 2:45; Pete Dominici came on the air to speak about Wellstone. But there was silence. No tears, no choking voice. Just silence. Soon an aid came on to say the interview would not go forward. Pardon my skepticism, but is it just too difficult for Republicans to find anything good to say about Wellstone, other than: He fought for his agenda. Another question: If Bush had died in a plane crash, would there not be immediate open speculation about the possibility of assassination? Wellstone held the balance in the Senate for the Democrats; he was as opposed to Bush policies as any Senator could be, in issues of war, health policy, and labor issues. His death has great political and social significance. Political commentator, Bill Schneider, said, Wellstone was admired because he stood on conviction. He was the voice of sixties idealism. He said the Democratic Party had lost his soul. He made a nationwide trip through poor areas in the late 90s, JUST LIKE ROBERT KENNEDY DID. Could the implication be any clearer? Kennedy was assassinated during his campaign against Nixon, in what remain suspicious circumstances. Commentators cannot come out now, apparently, to suggest a deliberate murder of Senator Wellstone, but more than one anchor tiptoes around it. The Republicans TARGETED Wellstone, said Sen. Pat Murray of Washington state. So Wellstone was targeted. Of course, Murray was speaking of the deliberate targetting of the Wellstone campaign in Minnesota, by sending in huge amounts of funding to his opponent. However, the implication is once again clear. Wellstone was one of the most crucial political figures in Bush gave the US a very, very brief statement, which concluded with the words, May the good lord bless those who grieve. Bush did not say that HE GRIEVED. His remarks were curt, and, in my view, insulting in their brevity. By 3:00 p.m. another so called expert was brought on. He spoke almost exclusively of the crash as an accident. Did he slip when he said at one point, IF THIS IS FOUND TO BE AN ACCIDENT? He did not elaborate, but went on to discuss the cockpit voice recorder, the last contact with the FAA, and other details. (This was Bob Francis, with the FTAA). ------ shortly after the crash, the Star-Herald reported: "The FAA reported light winds and snow in the area at the time of the crash. Ulman said weather conditions were "good enough for the approach, probably two to 2 1/2 miles of visiblity." FAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Cory said, "On approach, there was a discussion about approach to the airport. It was on approach when we lost contact with it at 10:20 a.m.'' Cory said there "didn't appear to be" any sign of distress during the discussion." Also - It is normal procedure for aircraft of that type to use IFR approach procedures, but visibility of 2 to 2 1/2 miles do not define IFR conditions. With the crash site two miles out, the pilot would have been in view of the field, particularly given the high- or medium-intensity approach lights mandated for IFR equipped airports. Something else: It's being reported the aircraft was quite a bit off-course for the runway approach. Given that the pilot was following an IFR approach, this suggests either that the plane's approach navigation equipment wasn't working, or that it was following a phony glideslope signal being transmitted from a vehicle parked in the woods somewhere. This was the technique used about ten years ago, as I recall, to bring down a jumbo jet in the far east. Can't recall all the details now, but if I remember correctly, there was a high-ranking official on that plane too. -------- This kind of death is old hat in South America where the CIA has done to many of the most outstanding leaders of the last 3 decades. Now they have begun to do it at home. Did anyone expect them to respect their nation of origin? These devils only have hell as home and no allegiance to anything else. Now is the time that Americans must face with the same fear that their @agencies@ have created all around the world. The time is getting closer when the forces of evil will take over the Earth while we stand aside and fight with each other over childish differences. If that's so, then let them win and the rest of us imbecile children suffer as we should for being such idiots. ============= Eerie Parallels Between Crashes That Killed Wellstone, Carnahan By Scott Charton, Associated Press Writer http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212518 ============= via email 10/25 >From: Steve Freedkin--Progressive Portal <•••@••.•••> Subject: Senator Paul Wellstone Has Died Dear friend: I am sorry to bear the terrible news that Minnesota Sen. Paul Wellstone, a staunch supporter of peace and justice causes, died along with his wife and daughter, three staff members, and two pilots in a plane crash today. As I write these words at 12:10 p.m. PDT (3:10 p.m. PDT), CNN is reporting that the National Transportation Safety Administration's top investigators are heading to the site. This is not only a terrible personal tragedy, but also a tragedy for the country and for the cause of peace. With the Bush Administration clearly despising Sen. Wellstone, a new alert about Al Qaida threatening attacks in the U.S., the Republicans one seat away from a majority in the Senate, and Wellstone's seat up for re-election in a tight race, one cannot help but feel uneasy about this disaster. Under Minnesota law, if a nominee in a Senate race dies during a campaign, his or her political party can select a replacement candidate no later than four days before the general election. Absentee ballots have already been sent in, however, and those that contain Wellstone votes are unlikely to be counted. During the coming days, as we grieve this terrible loss, we must also turn our attention to the grave crisis this creates for the political future of America, and particularly the peace and justice community. You are welcome to post your comments and suggestions at: http://www.progressiveportal.org/updates/wellstone.html [This list is moderated, meaning we will review all submissions before posting to ensure they are on-topic (to screen out spam, for example). Attachments are not allowed.] Some news sources to follow: Minneapolis Star Tribune, with links to other sites: http://www.startribune.com/ Mysterious group funds Wellstone opposition: http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/3382739.html CNN report: http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/25/plane.crash.minn/index.html Sites that will probably have news and analysis soon: Z Magazine Web site: http://www.zmag.org/weluser.htm The Nation magazine: http://www.thenation.com/ We offer our condolences to the families and friends of those who died in the plane crash, and to people everywhere for a loss that is impossible to measure. In shock and grief, Yours, Steve Freedkin Publisher ProgressivePortal.org ================ Wellstone: OMG! Please Tell Me I Heard That Wrong... Members of Democrats.community were shocked at the news of Paul Wellstone's death. Join the discussion of Paul's death - and life. (Registration required) http://democrats.com/comment.cfm ============ COMMENTS FROM EMAILS: --- What the hell's going on here? --- This hit accomplishes many things. Bush gets control of the entire gvt. Democrats are send a message--"don't even think about it". Liberals who see the connections are silenced. Liberals who don't (LLLs) are sent scrambling into mourning and miss the point. Notice the absence of rage, except from the usual places. --- This is *VERY BAD*! He was one of the best. I'd reckon this is a threat to other progressives in power who are against the Administration's policies. --- This is beyond bad... Wellstone's opponent, Norm Coleman, is well funded, hand-picked by Bush, owned by Big Pharma, in bed with Big Business, and wishy-washy to boot. Thoughts course thru my mind: This is too convenient, too timely, too suspicious. Bush & Co. thought nothing of stealing a democratic election. They would not stop at murder and sabotage to remove a popular rival. I'm suspicious. I'm scared. I'm mad. But most of all, I am grieving. ============================= http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212620 ..."toss up" election, with the outcome determining control of the Senate and, by extension, control of a potential 9/11 investigation, control of right-wing plans for stacking the courts and control of the purse-strings for Bush's new war plans. Suddenly, less than two weeks before the election, Paul Wellstone -- Bush's well-known enemy-number-one -- dies in a plane crash, along with his wife and son. Guess there won't be a Jean Carnahan this time, folks. ======================== How Aircraft Can Be Caused to Crash In Conditions Of Low Ceiling/Visibility http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=212625 ============= Paul Wellstone, Fighter by John Nichols 5/27/02 Paul Wellstone is a hunted man. Minnesota's senior senator is not just another Democrat on White House political czar Karl Rove's target list, in an election year when the Senate balance of power could be decided by the voters of a single state. Rather, getting rid of Wellstone is a passion for Rove, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the special-interest lobbies that fund the most sophisticated political operation ever assembled by a presidential administration. "There are people in the White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide confides. "This one is political and personal for them." ... Still, Wellstone has few rivals on the left side of the Senate aisle. 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