Sunday dialog


Richard Moore

From: Robert R. Holt
Subject: Re: dialog re: Harmonization
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:02:37 -0400
To: •••@••.•••

Dear Richard,

I want to take up the issue about which we have disagreed
before: your quixotic position that since all our problems are
interconnected and deeply rooted (I agree so far), there is no
point in doing anything except trying to bring about the most
fundamental reorganization of society.  Happily, you seem to
see eye to eye with good folks like Tom Atlee and Rosa
Zubizarossa that there is a lot we can do on the most local
levels by way of building social capital or starting processes
of reharmonization.  I'm all for that too.

It's just that I find it astonishing that you don't view
getting rid of Bush as the highest priority for Americans in
the next few months.  Of course it won't accomplish
fundamental change; of course Kerry is deeply enmeshed with
the corporate powers that be.  Nevertheless, I and many
thoughtful people I am in touch with feel that we are on the
brink of outright fascism, that we will be lucky if the
neocons allow the election to proceed as usual and take the
risk that GWB will be voted out of office.  If we take the
Nader line that there is no basic difference between the
Democrats and the Republicans and ignore that danger, we may
well find ourselves in a stifling climate where any dissent is
persecuted and our freedom to generate radical ideas about
transformation is gone.  There is a lot that can and must be
done to salvage what real democracy we have left, and to elect
an imperfect president who at least will give us some
breathing space to work on the more fundamental issues.


Dear Robert,

I hope Bush loses and I'm thankful energy is going into that
cause. And there are many other worthwhile efforts going on,
lives being saved, etc. But I feel my particular mission is to
look at things from a longer range perspective. We all have
our roles to play. From my perspective, the world looks like a
village that is being gradually demolished by the bulldozer of
economic growth. Perhaps Kerry  would drive the bulldozer
a bit slower than Bush, and that would be a good thing. But I
personally can't get excited about any project that isn't
aimed at dismantling the bulldozer altogether. Unless we do
that, the village will be destroyed sooner or later.

best regards,

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:39:40 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: X
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: a message / appeal from rkm

Dear Richard,

If there ever was a person who deserves to be supported by a
community, it is you.  I am so thankful for your earnest
seeking and eloquent, focused expressions of that process.  I
will do what I can, count on it.  Wish I could make a specific
ongoing pledge - maybe after our slow summer season is over. 
And know that you are not asking for charity and don't be
embarrased about it - this is reciprocity and kinship which of
course is the basis of the next economic order we are all
working for.  Congratulations for creating a scenario where
you can be free of corporate grunt work, and that allows you
to express your important gifts.  (Ireland will also get a
good return on its investment, no doubt.)

Your collaborative model for writing is definitely an
inspiration to me as well!

Again, many thanks and keep up the great work.  


Dear X,

Many thanks for your support and encouragement, and the same
to the many others who responded similarly to the appeal. I'll
be able to get by for the time being and the encouragement is
very welcome.


From: "Brian Hill" 
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: The Israeli spy case...
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:40:29 -0700
Organization: Institute  for Cultural Ecology


one of the symptoms of a disintegrating empire is that corrupt
ruling classes compete against each other - collapse is



Dear Brian,

How imminent? Do you anticipate any particular scenario of


From: "Dan Brook" 
Subject: Re: 9/11: The definitive investigation?
To: •••@••.•••
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:01:17 -0700

If he really has concrete evidence, as he says, I wish he
would post something to the web and to the intl media.
Obviously, we can't just take his word for it; he has to
produce the evidence.


Dear Dan,

Being a court case, I suppose there are reasons not to lay out
the detailed case in advance in the media. Given the person's
credentials, I think we can give some credence to his claim
that he does have evidence to back up the points of his case.
Besides, I've posted lots of evidence from other sources that
supports much of what he says.

But let me respond at a more general level to your concern. In
a world full of propaganda, writers with agendas, and
disinformation, how do we find out what's really going on? Do
we restrict our attention to totally reliable sources who
always present all their evidence, and then do we only believe
that if we independently verify all the evidence? Such a
strategy might help one avoid believing false things, but it
also prevents one from gaining insights about a lot of true
things. I believe that if one has a goal of maximizing
understanding, one needs a more mixed research strategy, a
more nuanced approach to assessing credibility.

all the best,

Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:11:18 -0400
To: •••@••.•••
From: Don Chisholm 
Subject: Re: GLOBAL TRANSFORMATION: Harmonization and global

Hi Richard.

I've been watching/lurking the development of your book with
interest, and general agreement with the presentation.  At
this subject chapter, your ideas are very much like my own, a
couple of years ago when I wrote a presentation called Social
Networks Influencing Governance (SNIG).  I wrote it near the
end of my time as Canadian Coordinator for John Bunzl's
Simultaneous Policy Organization, in hope that ISPO might take
a lead roll in helping to coordinate a Stakeholder
Organization as a means of linking the thousands of disparate
social movements in the world into a coherent voice for social
change.  However, John B rejected the idea when he came to the
point where, if successful, ISPO would loose control of the
Policy Procedures to the voice of the greater group.  Oh well,
can't win em all!!

SNIG has sat idle since then, but I plan to take out the ISPO
references and groom the text somewhat.

It appears to me that the potential for cooperative social
change development within SNIG, could be a logical addendum,
or a window of possibility, as an appendix? to your chapter,
or of some use.  I put it back on my web so you can have a

Yours in cooperative efforts,
Don Chisholm
Crew member on the Titanic


Dear Don,

Thanks for your contribution. I also received a reply from one
of the organizers of the Michigan conference. He is now
thinking of a two-thread approach, one being communities and
the other being networking among activist organizations. Tom
Atlee is now thinking along similar lines as well. I'll try to
incorporate something about the two threads in the final
draft. It feels like perhaps we may be seeing some convergence
in our collective thinking .


Subject: Re: ... Is there anybody out there? ...
From: •••@••.••• (Reinhard Spilker-Vester)
To:  <•••@••.•••>
Date: 24 Sep 2004 20:32 GMT

Dear Richard,

I find it encouraging and comforting to listen to your
voice and to your humanistic reason in these tortuous times.
Be assured that your messages and your quest for solutions 
are not lost. I am just one of many people (I am convinced)
who have not sufficient time to come up with helpful comment.
But I take this opportunity to say Thank You for your loving
global companionship!




Thanks for the encouragement!

best regards,


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