-------------------------------------------------------- From: Rich Winkel <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: Apocalypse now? To: •••@••.••• Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:33:19 -0500 (CDT) > The CIA thwarted the Bay of Pigs... do you think they might be > able to stop Bush? This is the first I've heard that the CIA thwarted the bay of pigs. Could you send a reference? Thanks, Rich ---------- Dear Rich, The official scenario is that the Bay of Pigs failed because Kennedy decided not to send in air support when the Cubans failed to respond positively to the invasion's attempt at "liberation". They say he wanted to avoid civilian casualties. Or perhaps he didn't want to get into a quagmire. But I've read more than one report that the air support was withheld not by Kennedy's direction, but because the CIA operative in Costa Rica who was suppose to send in air support failed to do so. In other words, he sabotaged the invasion to embarrass Kennedy (Or as Bob Dylan put it, "I knew he lost control when he built a fire on Main Street and filled it full of holes.") If the sabotage scenario is valid, then I say that "The CIA thwarted the invasion". (I believe that "rogue agents" in general are a total fabrication, a version of "plausible deniability" for despicable acts of covert trouble making.) I haven't done enough research to be absolutely sure the sabotage scenario is valid, but it is consistent with a known struggle that was going on between JFK and the CIA, which ultimately contributed to his assassination. I can't recall a specific reference (sorry) for the Costa Rica story, but perhaps a reader can help with that. cheers, rkm btw> Rich is the publisher of activ_l, a very high-traffic list of activist announcements and sentiments. It may be best to subscribe to the index, and then download articles that look interesting. To subscribe to this daily index, send the following message to •••@••.••• : 'sub imap' -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:32:19 -0400 To: •••@••.••• From: Paul Wolf <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: Apocalypse now? It's just a spooky story to scare the Iranians for Halloween. Wayne Madsen's writes a lot of stories like this that rarely if ever pan out. Hopefully I am not wrong this time. ---- Dear Paul, I've heard about this spooky story from many other sources besides Madsen. I was about to write my own posting, which would have required sifting through those other sources and picking out citations. I posted Madsen's because it came along conveniently and saved me the time of doing the culling from the other sources. FACTS: (1) the Israelis have accepted the 'bunker busters'; (2) the Israelis and the White House have separately threatened Iran with attack on more than one occasion; (3) Iran has expressed an intention to preemptively protect itself. Madsen or no Madsen, an attack on Iran in the not-too-distant-future is a very likely possibility. It would be the natural next step after the invasion of Iraq in terms of the Agenda for the New American Century. Whether or not it occurs before the election would be purely a matter of political strategy. Madsen's hypothesis would be interesting if it were purely theoretical. It moves beyond being merely interesting if his reports about the JFK battle group are accurate. Do you have any reason to believe they are not? Obviously it would not be an ideal political scenario for Bush if he simply invaded Iran without immediate cause just before the election. Here is a much more sensible scenario: The "missing explosives" we've been reading about are put into a missile by U.S. intelligence, and fired with damaging effect at a major Israeli target from inside Iraq, but from close to the Iranian border. This is immediately interpreted by the global media as attack by Iran on Israel and Israel then responds with a major attack on Iranian nuclear installations. The Iranians then respond with an attack on Israel, and the U.S. "comes to the rescue" of its ally with all guns blazing. This is more in keeping with the tradition of how the U.S. has initiated conflicts over the past two centuries.Bush then looks like a decisive hero, and gets re-elected. In this regard it is important to understand that the invasion of Iraq is proceeding much more smoothly than most reports indicate. The objectives of the invasion are (1) to build a number of permanent U.S. military bases as a springboard for more wider aggression, and (2) to secure Iraqi oil reserves for the long term. These objectives are being achieved with great success, and at great profit to the neocons cronies (Halliburton et al). All the disorder in Iraq, and the 1,000 American troops killed are both of very little concern to the White House. The troops are just expendable cannon fodder, and the disorder is of no concern whatever. The more Iraqis killed the better, regardless of how. The temporary interruptions in the oil supply are also of little consequence, indeed they increase the price of oil which helps the oil companies. It is the long-term exploitation of Iraqi reserves which is of strategic importance. Expanding the war to Iran only seems senseless if you believe the interpretation that the Iraq invasion is going poorly. That interpretation is based on the myth that the U.S. is trying to achieve order and democracy in Iraq. Why would Washington care about that? Does democracy make any sense within the value matrix of the neocons? I don't think so. best regards, rkm btw> Phil is the publisher of "Iraqi Resistance Reports", with a traffic of about 4 postings per week. The scope of postings is actually broader than just the Iraqi resistance, and the quality is high. If you email him, he'll add you to his list. -------------------------------------------------------- -- ============================================================ If you find this material useful, you might want to check out our website (http://cyberjournal.org) or try out our low-traffic, moderated email list by sending a message to: •••@••.••• You are encouraged to forward any material from the lists or the website, provided it is for non-commercial use and you include the source and this disclaimer. 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