Friends, Thanks everyone for your participation in the Great Global Warming Debate. For me, the science part simply got more confusing. I hadn't heard before that the other planets are experiencing warming as well, which shows there's a lot more going on than simply co2 build up. I think the most important information that came out was in regards to the politics. The saying, "Beware of Greeks bringing gifts" comes to mind. We need to keep in mind that the folks running the Western world care about only one thing, their own pocketbooks, their power, and continued 'economic growth'. The scenario with carbon credits is typical. By trading carbon credits, the West justifies its own continuation of co2 pollution. And yet, the effect in the third world is to cut down natural forests, which are very efficient at co2 reduction, and replacing them with tree plantations, which are less efficient. In other words, carbon credits are a total scam, increasing co2 in both the West and the third world. At a more general level, all the attention on global warming is itself a scam. Not that global warming isn't a problem, but it's not our biggest problem, and there is very little we can do about it, compared to our more serious problems. Bigger problems include: turning our topsoil into deserts, destroying our fish supplies, wasting our water with modern agribusiness methods, genocide in Africa through the collaboration of the IMF and the CIA, the rise of fascism and the elimination of the American Constitution, and the list goes on. Global-warming hysteria, and the pretense of governmental concern, serves to distract us from the bigger problems, and gives us false hope that governments are 'responding' to public pressure. We get the same kind of scam with world hunger. Geldof and Bono, probably naively, led the big parade for 'ending world hunger', and we got a 'debt relief' program. What that meant is that taxpayer money went, not to Africa, but to the IMF and Western banks, to reimburse them for uncollectible loans. Governments then reduced their aid budgets by the amount they paid to the banks. The net result: an increase in world hunger. And then there's 'carbon taxes'. Fuel is already heavily taxed, and this simply increases those taxes. It might cause people to cut down on some non-necessary travel, but the trucks still need to roll, and people still need to get to work and school. It's not a solution, it's simply a way to get more of our money. The only way to really cut down on transport-caused co2 emissions would be a massive investment in efficient and convenient public transport, primary rail. Does anyone see that happening? The 'solution' to WMDs -- the unleashing of WMDs on civilians; the most harmful WMD in the world is the US military. The story's the same wherever you look. Every 'problem' has a 'solution' that serves elite interests only. Only when people stop finding hope in politicians and governments can we begin to thing about how to really solve our problems, the biggest one being government itself. rkm -- -------------------------------------------------------- Escaping the Matrix website http://escapingthematrix.org/ cyberjournal website http://cyberjournal.org Community Democracy Framework: http://cyberjournal.org/DemocracyFramework.html subscribe cyberjournal list mailto:•••@••.••• Posting archives http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/