end of year dialog…


Richard Moore

Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:10:50 -0800
From: Caspar Davis <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Tom Atlee: processes for addressing specific issues
To: •••@••.•••

Thanks Richard. I did read Tom's post before, but this is a timely 
reminder. These issues are very active in Victoria.


Hi Caspar,

I'm very impressed with what's going on in Victoria, and it was very 
good fortune I could be there for the Korten events. Has there been 
any media  coverage of the WDC events or of the upcoming Wisdom 
Councils? Feel free to keep us informed as time permits.

best of luck,

Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 05:04:32 -0800
From: •••@••.•••
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: End of year report: The State of the World

May I post this item at my blog?


hi similey,

everything posted can be used elsewhere for non-commercial purposes, 
provided you include the source.


From: "Thomas Greco -- CIRC2" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: End of year report: The State of the World
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 12:23:23 -0700

Dear Richard,

Your view of the geopolitical situation and the prospects for the 
Great Transformation seems quite plausible to me.Thanks for painting 
such a vivid picture.

The second Enlightenment has the benefit of almost three centuries of 
spiritual evolution, social and political experimentation, and 
technological development.

I'm hopeful and optimistic that a determining number of change agents 
will be able to implement new fundamental structures that can shift 
the locus of power and the distribution of resources.

Happy New Millennium,
Tom Greco


Hi Tom,

The scenarios were vivid, but as some have pointed out, predictions 
at this time are chancy. The only thing we can be sure of is that 
there will be big changes. At such a time many forces are at work, 
with non-linear interactions among them.

I'm glad you can be optimistic. I am as well, but I think I'm basing 
it on refusal to give up more than a reasoned judgment. The change 
agents ultimately need to be all of us. In the meantime we need 
pre-change agents, people willing to experiment with dialog in their 

happy new year to you and all,

Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 08:47:00 -0600
To: Richard Moore <•••@••.•••>
From: A
Subject: Re: newslog: 6 Dec - 27 Dec

         21 Dec - Gore steps up his hypocritical Presidential campaign

Am curious about the title you gave the following item. The article 
in the Contra Costa Times (carried by truthout.org -- I looked at 
both to find zero about Gore stepping up his presidential campaign or 
anything about a hypocritical campaign) was about climate change and 
getting scientists to become more active in informing the public 
about their findings.  Did you even read the article? The only thing 
I found even resembling a "campaign" was a plan for scientists to 
demonstrate at the White House before too long.


To: A
From: Richard Moore <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: hypocritical campaign

Gore is to global warming as Clinton was to universal health care and 
as Johnson was to ending the Vietnam War -- all are great 
vote-getting ploys and in none of the cases is there a snowball's 
chance in hell that anything useful would be accomplished. Gore is 
setting himself up to be the Great White  Knight to save us from the 
Neocons. I knew as soon as his film came out what he was up to, and 
already overt talk of his campaign is beginning to surface...
         14 Dec 2006   Gore considers presidential campaign

My choice of headlines is meant to be educational and to provoke 
thinking on the part of the reader. Also I'm thumbing my nose at the 
spin mainstream headlines put on on various stories.

thanks for asking,


Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:06:23 -0600
To: Richard Moore <•••@••.•••>
From: A

You may be correct, Richard, although my intuition tells me that you 
are generalizing overmuch. Who, in your opinion, would accomplish 
"anything useful?" And what would be useful in your view?


Hi again A,

Our systems of production, distribution, and utilization are 
destroying the Earth. No program is useful in this context unless it 
seeks to transform those systems in radical ways. In the realm of 
transportation, for example, it would be useful to take all the money 
going into road-building and airport expansion and use it instead for 
the emergency development of efficient rail systems.  If instead we 
are told about less-polluting automobile engines, we are hearing 
about rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

In the realm of finance, it would be useful to take the major banks 
into receivership, cancel national debts, and put currencies on a new 
basis. Only such steps can restore economic sovereignty to nations, 
and enable them to marshal their resources as required for survival. 
If instead we hear about tax changes and subsidies...ditto.

JFK was in pursuit of useful things. He starting printing Treasury 
Bills, cutting the Federal Reserve out of the loop. He announced 
plans to end the Cold War and to close down operations in Vietnam. 
His space program was about weaning industry away from weapons 
production. He was courageously aiming to make major system 
transformations. To the Establishment he had become a dangerous 
rogue, one they were not willing to tolerate.

Gore is nothing like that. He is pure establishment through and 
through, just like Clinton. Universal health care would have been a 
direct assault on the astronomical profits of the healthcare, 
pharmaceutical, and insurance industries, and for that reason it 
could never have gotten beyond rhetoric. To do anything real about 
global warming would be a much broader assault on the whole profit 
system, something far beyond the pale for someone like Gore. Any 
program he launches will be about keeping the systems going longer 
(eg, more efficient cars), not about transforming it. And any such 
program will probably be contracted to the likes of Bechtel and 
Halliburton, who will siphon off trillions into various private 

I don't think I'm over-generalizing.

thanks for the dialog,

From: "Stephanie McDowall" <•••@••.•••>
To: "'Richard Moore'" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: FW: End of year report: The State of the World
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:55:58 -0800

Why do you think the West will end up saving the world?  It's true 
the West has inflicted untold suffering on peoples all over the world 
starting long before the Middle East situation.  We need only examine 
the British and American fruit companies and other corporations that 
have raped S. America, Africa, the Caribbean, not to mention India 
and Malaysia.   We have been rotten to the core Richard....for 
centuries it seems.  France, Portugal, Spain, Holland......all have 
stolen the resources of third world countries, enslaved the people 
etc. etc. just like Britain and the U.S.    There is not too much to 
admire about Western Governments.   Steph 


Hi Stephanie,

My point is that the world cannot be saved while Western governments 
remain as they are. If we achieve democracy in the West, then the 
West can lead the world toward peace. If we don't achieve democracy 
in the West, then imperialist forces will continue to destroy 
democracy elsewhere whenever it springs up, as they have always done 
in the past.


Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 15:35:11 -0800
To: •••@••.•••
From: "Karl V. Amatneek" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Fwd: [globalnetnews-summary] Leo Tolstoy

         "The misapprehension springs from the fact that the learned
         jurists, deceiving themselves as well as others, depict in
         their books an ideal of government -- not as it really is,
         an assembly of men who oppress their fellow-citizens, but in
         accordance with the scientific postulate, as a body of men
         who act as the representatives of the rest of the nation.
             "They have gone on repeating this to others so long that they
         have ended by believing it themselves, and they really seem
         to think that justice is one of the duties of governments.
             "History, however, shows us that governments, as seen from
         the reign of Caesar to those of the two Napoleons and Prince
         Bismarck, are in their very essence a violation of justice;
         a man or a body of men having at command an army of trained
         soldiers, deluded creatures who are ready for any violence,
         and through whose agency they govern the State, will have no
         keen sense of the obligation of justice. Therefore
         governments will never consent to diminish the number of
         those well-trained and submissive servants, who constitute
         their power and influence."
         -- Leo Tolstoy -- Source: Writings on Civil Disobedience and
         Non-Violence (Signet Books, 1968), pp. 238-239.


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