Anthony Sutton: Skull & Bones, US Banks Financing Hitler


Richard Moore

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Anthony Sutton On 'Skull
& Bones,' US Banks Financing
Hitler, & 'Trance-Formation'

Antony Sutton, is the author of 26 books, many of which can be purchased on-line
at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Liberty House Press at 1-800-343-6180 has copies of
America's Secret Establishment and Best Enemy Money Can Buy for sale.

The following interview with Mr. Sutton is dated July 6, 1999

Antony C. Sutton, 74, has been persecuted but never prosecuted for his research 
and subsequent publishing of his findings. His mainstream career was shattered 
by his devotion towards uncovering the truth. In 1968, his Western Technology 
and Soviet Economic Development was published by The Hoover Institute at 
Stanford University. Sutton showed how the Soviet state's technological and 
manufacturing base, which was then engaged in supplying the North Vietnamese the
armaments and supplies to kill and wound American soldiers, was built by US 
firms and mostly paid for by the US taxpayers. From their largest steel and iron
plant, to automobile manufacturing equipment, to precision ball-bearings and 
computers, basically the majority of the Soviet's large industrial enterprises 
had been built with the United States help or technical assistance.

Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book, Survival Is Not Enough: 
Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon & Schuster;1984): "In his 
three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment and 
Technology . . . [Antony] Sutton comes to conclusions that are uncomfortable for
many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work tends to be either 
dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply ignored."

The report was too much and Sutton's career as a well-paid member of the 
academic establishment was under attack and he was told that he "would not 

His work led him to more questions than answers. "Why had the US built-up it's 
enemy? Why did the US build-up the Soviet Union, while we also transferred 
technology to Hitler's Germany? Why does Washington want to conceal these 

Sutton, following his leads, proceeded to research and write his three 
outstanding books on Wall Street: and FDR; and the Rise of Hitler; and The 
Bolshevik Revolution. Then, someone sent Antony a membership list of Skull and 
Bones and--"a picture jumped out". And what a picture! A multigenerational 
foreign-based secret society with fingers in all kinds of pies and roots going 
back to 'Illuminati' influences in 1830's Germany.

For the full story, check-out Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment, in 
print for 14 years and available from Liberty House Press, 1-800-343-6180.

Skull And Bones

Here, in a recent e-mail interview, are Antony Sutton's own reflections and 
answers to questions from myself and other researchers.

Pre-interview note from Antony Sutton: Remember all my papers on this are in 
deep storage 1000 miles away and cannot be accessed and I've not even thought 
about S&B for 15 years. I had no idea that any interest had been aroused out 
there. I know the book is a steady seller from the royalty reports; but that is 
all. For the last 10 years I have been in complete seclusion working on future 
technology...I'm more engineer than historian. The only visitors I've had or 
meetings have been with three-letter agency people, who arrive on the doorstep 
unannounced and complain I am hard to find. Big Brother has the ability 
apparently to find anyone. Nothing mysterious about this, I just dislike 
publicity and social interaction. . . . You will see from the Dutch TV episode 
that my work still upsets the "powers that be" so these are merely reasonable 

KM - Can you tell the story of how you learned of Skull & Bones? And how you 

AS - I knew nothing of S&B until I received a letter in the early 80's asking if
I would like to look at a genuine membership list. For no real reason I said 
yes. It was agreed to send the package by Federal Express and I could keep it 
for 24 hours, it had to be returned to the safe. It was a "black bag" job by a 
family member disgusted with their activities. For the benefit of any S&B 
members who may read and doubt the statement; the membership list is in two 
volumes, black leather bound. Living members and deceased members in separate 
volumes. Very handsome books. I spent all night in Kinko's, Santa Cruz , copied 
the entire volumes and returned within the 24 hour period. I have never released
any copies or identified the source. I figured each copy could be coded and 
enable S&B to trace the leak. How did I feel? I felt then (as I do now} that 
these "prominent" men are really immature juveniles at heart. The horrible 
reality is that these little boys have been dominant in their influence in world
affairs. No wonder we have wars and violence. Skull and Bones is the symbol of 
terrorist violence, pirates, the SS Deaths Head Division in WW Two, labels on 
poison bottles and so on. I kept the stack of xerox sheets for quite a while 
before I looked at them--when I did look--a picture jumped out, THIS was a 
significant part of the so called establishment. No wonder the world has 

KM - What is the percentage of active members?

AS - I haven't checked for 15 used to be about one quarter. With the 
rise of the Bush dynasty it will increase somewhat, as they climb on the 
bankwagon. The Demos had their turn with Harriman in the 40's and 50's.

KM - How many active members are there?

AS - Usually about 600 alive at any one time . . . recently more active.

KM- What is your take on the grandfather clock that each member allegedly 

AS - They do get a clock I've had that confirmed and you will see it in the 
photos in ASE (AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT). Might be symbolic, perhaps to 
state their organization goes on timelessly.

KM - Has Skull and Bones lost its clout?

AS - Well look at the recent fundraiser for George Bush...Republicans are 
stuffing money into his pockets...I suggest members recently got behind one of 
their own and decided to push George all out for president--and Democrats can't 
do a thing because Democrat Bones are not going to allow the Party to use the 
ultimate weapon--George's membership in a foreign secret society.

KM - What do you know of George ' W.' Bush?

AS - He is a third generation Bonesman. My personal impression is that he 
doesn't have the drive of his father or the skills of his grandfather....--but I
could be very wrong. He can beat anyone hands down--EXCEPT VENTURA. If Bush 
handlers allow a face to face debate between Bush and Ventura, Ventura will win.
Remember Ventura has admitted to his so-called "sins". Bush has a closet full 
waiting to emerge. People are getting bored with cover ups and spin. 2000 may 
see the end of the Bones influence or--reality that these Bones people are 

KM - Is the 'name' of the German group known?

AS - Almost certainly Illuminati.

KM - Some people say that there are other 'cells'; what do you think?

AS - There are many other secret societies. I've only looked at S&B. 
Unfortunately no historian will keep his job if he tries to explore 
conspiracy...this is taboo for the American Historical Association. Sooner or 
later outsiders will take a look. I've long thought that S&B fits the legal 
definition of a conspiracy and needs to be officially investigated. Yes there 
should be other cells. No secret society worth anything is going to keep its 
inner actions written down on paper. If the gigantic electronic monitoring 
apparatus is for national security purposes; then it should be monitoring these 
people 24 hours a day.

KM - What are your thoughts on Wolf's Head? Scroll & Key? And the other Senior 
societies at Yale?

AS - Wolfs Head, Scroll and Key seem to be pale imitations of S&B, but they have
the same objective of deliberately building discrimination into a society. I 
listened to Jesse Ventura last night and he made the point that the Founding 
Fathers intended for CITIZENS to represent the people. I agree, a trucker, a 
farmer, a teacher--represents the people not a bunch of professional pols or a 
secret society like S&B. All these societies place their own members ahead of 
the pack and give preference to their own members--this is discrimination par 

KM - Have you read Cathy O'Brian's book Trance-Formation Of America? What do 
think of it?

AS - The book does not contain one piece of hard physical evidence.. I think 
Cathy O'Brien BELIEVES SHE IS TELLING THE TRUTH . . . but remember that Mark 
Phillips is a skilled neuro-linguistic-programmer. Another point that really 
concerns me is this...where did this story originate? It originated in Communist
Chinese Intelligence and Mark Phillips had a contractual relationship with the 
ChiComs. This could be an attempt to destabilize the US. No doubt these 
Washington pols are fully capable of these weird practices, just look at 
Bohemian Grove but that doesn't mean that the book is an accurate portrayal. If 
the book is credible I would think the police would have raided Bohemian Grove 
long ago.

My best guess is that the Chinese picked up whispers of Washington scandals and 
blew them out of proportion for their own purposes. This is a GUESS...I don't 
know. One thing that puzzled me, with all these sexual shenanigans how do 
Washington politicians find time to do anything else? According to the book this
is a full time occupation for Senator Byrd and others.

KM - What did your study of elites, economics, secrecy and technology do for 
your career?

AS-Depends what you mean by "career"? By conventional standards I am an abject 
failure. I've been thrown out of two major Universities (UCLA and Stanford), 
denied tenure at Cal State Los Angeles. Every time I write something, it appears
to offend someone in the Establishment and they throw me to the wolves. On the 
other hand I've written 26 books, published a couple of newsletters and so 
on...even more important I've never compromised on the truth And I don't quit. 
In material terms...hopeless failure. In terms of discovery...I think I've been 
successful. Judge a man by his enemies. William Buckley called me a "jerk". 
Glenn Campbell, former Director of the Hoover Institution, Stanford called me "a

KM - Do you believe that there has been suppression of technology? Has it been 
major or minor?

AS - Yes there has been suppression but its going to be impossible to suppress 
the new emerging paradigm.

KM - The Federal Reserve, the House of Morgan, House of Rothschild and Skull and
Bones are they related?

AS - Best source for this is a book by me THE FEDERAL RESERVE CONSPIRACY, 1995 
CPA, PO Box 596, Boring OR 97007.

KM- On Skull and Bone's influencing John Dewey and Horace Mann; are there good 
source materials to follow that story?

AS - Depends what you want to find. You could explore the 10(?) volume works of 
Dewey... outrageous Hegelianism, the state is supreme, the individual merely a 
pawn to be trained. This is the basis of our 'educational system"...or you could
go and explore the members of S&B who brought the system to the US. This trained
"sausage mind" outlook has thoroughly permeated our universities--that's why we 
have the peer review system...we are all supposed to think alike and find the 
same answers. This political correctness garbage is another step to total 
thought control.

AH - Did any of Hitler's economic policies threaten the interests of the 
international bankers, and if so did that play a role in his downfall?

AS - Hitler's economic policies were OK'd by the bankers right through the 
war...ITT, Chase, Texaco and others were operating in Nazi-held France as late 
as 1945. In fact Chase in Paris was trying to get Nazi accounts as late as 1944.
When we got to Germany in May 1945, I remember seeing a (bombed-out) Woolworth 
store in Hamburg and thinking, "What's Woolworth doing in Nazi Germany?" While 
we were bombed and shelled it was "business as usual" for Big Business. Try the 
Alien Custodian Papers. See my BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY for more information. 
Union Banking is very important. I made a documentary for Dutch National TV some
years ago. It got all the way through the production process to the Dutch TV the last minute it was pulled and another film substituted. This 
documentary has proof of Bush financing Hitler-- documents. Maybe my Dutch 
friends will still get it viewed, but the apparatus reaches into Holland.

KM - What is the story that was going to be told on Dutch TV? And what is the 
story of it's censorship?

AS - Couple of years back, a Dutch TV production company from Amsterdam--under 
contract to Dutch National TV--came to US to make documentary on S&B. They went 
to the Bones Temple and other places and interviewed people on East Coast. On 
West Coast, they interviewed myself and one other person. I saw extracts from 
the original and it is a good professional job. They had documents linking Bush 
family and other S&B members to financing Hitler through Union Banking of New 
York and its Dutch correspondent bank. More than I have in WALL STREET AND THE 
RISE OF HITLER. The first version was later upgraded into a two part documentary
and scheduled for showing this last March. It was pulled at last minute and has 
never been shown.

AH - Who has been financing Milosevic, and what role has the international 
banking community played in the Balkans?

AS - I haven't looked at this one. Of course the notorious Black Hand society is
located in the Balkans. See WW One.

DG - What is the importance of your work on Skull and Bones?

AS - The potential is extraordinary. IF we find that secret societies are indeed
significant the entire history of the last two centuries will have to be 
re-written. At this point in 1999, the potential has not been explored by others
and I've moved back to my original interest--technology. Apparently people see 
some merit in the work. It is never advertised. It is an underground word of 
mouth distribution but has sold steadily from 1986 to date. Every month I get a 
royalty check, so I know it is selling. But my original enthusiastic statement 
has not been fulfilled.

KM - What do you see for the future?

AS - Chaos, confusion and ultimately a battle between the individual and the 
State. The individual is the stronger; and will win. The state is a fiction 
sanctified by Hegel and his followers to CONTROL the individual. Sooner or later
people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left, this is a
Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; 
it is between us and them. The message is getting through. ASE has sold for 15 
years, small but steady. No advertising. Its an underground work. But the 
breadth of interest is amazing. From Black Africa, to Russia (12,000 copies), 
right, cuts across all ethnic, political, social lines...The spirit of
God is within us as individuals. Skull & Bones represents death. It has no life 
spirit and pretends that the State "is the march of God on earth". The thinking 
of immature juveniles, deadly and destructive and has almost totally infected 
Washington. What to do? Find yourself and then go to work.....tell your friends 
and put out the message. The answer is within you. _____ Antony Sutton, is the 
author of 26 books, many of which can be purchased on-line at Amazon or Barnes &
Noble. Liberty House Press at 1-800-343-6180 has copies of America's Secret 
Establishment and Best Enemy Money Can Buy for sale. New York Editors . . . In 
talking to a magazine in New York that is working on a feature story on George '
W ' Bush and was thinking of doing a piece on S&B. I asked how about a sidebar 
on Antony Sutton? After getting responses peppered with phrases such as; 
"Someone is claiming he's a John Bircher" and; Here is what one editor (who 
shall remain nameless) had to say about Sutton:

"Liberty House was/is a right wing publishing company located in Billings, 
Montana. Anthony Sutton was a research fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institution. 
Among many other claims, Sutton's book accuses Skull and Bones of funding and 
encouraging "the Maxist/Leftist '60s revolution"....and diverting attention by 
drawing students into disarmament and/or environmental groups and issues. 
Although there seems to be some real info in his book, it reads like a classic 
text of right-wing propaganda, filled with hyperbole and unsourced allegations" 
Antony Sutton's response:

What's wrong with these editors? I was thrown out of the Hoover Institution by 
the CIA types....I am definitely persona non-grata. Director Glenn Campbell 
actually threatened me: "you will not survive."

Some right winger!! I've never been a member of the Birch Society or any society
come to that. I'd like to have that Editor say that to my face. They're sick! 
Get his comments on the above...and have him come up with some proof. What's the
legal definition of has to be untrue and malicious. Do they have 
any money? When it comes right down to it the NY people didn't even read my 
book...else they would know that I see the right-left approach as a Hegelian for lack of evidence Ill leave that to the readers. On second thought 
they probably never heard of Hegel. When Lenin referred to 'useful idiots" he 
must have had these people in mind.

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