Abiotic oil : Col. Prouty : primordial oil?


Richard Moore


Letter of the Month - July 1999 

The Origins of Oil and Petroleum 

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:54:57 PDT 
From: "Daniel E. Reynolds" 

On June 20th, 1996 Col. Prouty stated... 

"Oil is often called a 'fossil' fuel; the idea being that it
comes from formerly living organisms. This may have been
plausible back when oil wells were drilled into the fossil
layers of the earth's crust; but today, great quantities of
oil are found in deeper wells that are found below the level
of any fossils. How could then oil have come from fossils,
or decomposed former living matter, if it exists in rock
formations far below layers of fossils - the evidence of
formerly living organisms? It must not come from living
matter at all!"

Two days after I read his statement I encountered the 
following statement in a newspaper I deeply respect:

"Any geologist will tell you, well, most geologists will tell
wells in Pennsylvania that were pumped out dry at the turn of
the century and capped are now filled with oil again."

Say what? 


I would be honored if Col Prouty could provide me with just a
ASSERTION. A search of the US libraries (via computer) has
turned up the name of Professor Thomas Gold who wrote a book

"Power from the Earth".

I tried to contact Marc J. Defant, a Volcanologist who 
teaches at the University of Southern Florida, but he is in 
Russia -- probably drilling for OIL PRODUCED BY MAGMA!!!

Professor Gold's book has been requested via interlibrary 

I certainly believe Col Prouty is telling the truth -- as he
knows it -- personally! Well, I seek the TRUTH -- and when I
find it -- I teach it to all who desire to hear it -- as best
I can.

Thank you for taking time to read my request. If, Col Prouty
can find the time to read it too -- and he chooses to share
additional information with me -- I shall be most grateful.


Daniel E. Reynolds July 29, 1996

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Here is Col. Prouty's response .

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 21:16:04 -0400 From: Col. L. Fletcher
Prouty To: •••@••.••• Subject: RE: Reynolds

This response is for Daniel E. Reynolds, 29 July 1996 on the
subject of "Oil - A renewable and abiotic Fuel?"

Dan, your use of the word "abiotic" is good. As a non-fossil
fuel, petroleum has no living antecedent. It contains
chemical elements found in living matter; but it is not
"formerly living matter." There has not been enough true
"formerly living matter"through all of creation to account for
the volume of petroleumthat has been consumed to date.

My background in this subject goes back to 1943. I was the
pilot who flew a U.S. Geological Survey Team from Casablanca
to Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. We met the Cal. Standard Oil team
holding down that lease. Then we went back to Cairo to meet
President Roosevelt during the Nov. 1943 "Cairo Conference"
with Churchill and Chiang Kai Shek. FDR ordered the immediate
construction of an oil refinery there for WW II use. This led

During the "Energy Crisis" of the 1970's I was detailed to
represent the U.S. Railroad industry as a member of the
"Federal Staff Energy Seminar" program started by the Center
for Strategic and International Studies, sponsored by
Georgetown University. That began in Jan 1974 and continued
for four years. It was designed to discuss "the working of
the United States national energy system, and new horizons of
energy research." Among the regular attendees were such men
as Henry Kissinger and James Schlesinger...most valuable

During one meeting we took a "Buffet Break" and I was seated
with Arthur Kantrowitz of the AVCO Company..."Kantrowitz Labs"
nearBoston. At the table with us were four young geologists
busily talking about Petroleum. At one point one of them made
 reference to "Petroleum as organic matter, and a fossil
fuel." Right out of the Rockefeller bible.

Kantrowitz turned to the geologist beside him and asked, "Do
you really believe that petroleum is a fossil fuel?" The man
said,"Certainly" and all four of them joined in. Kantrowitz
listened quietly and then said, "The deepest fossil ever
found has been at about 16,000 feet below sea level; yet we
are getting oil from wells drilled to 30,000 and more. How
could fossil fuel get down there? If it was once living
matter, it had to be on the surface. If it did turn into
petroleum, at or near the surface,how could it ever get to
such depths? What is heavier Oil or Water?" Water: so it
would go down, not oil. Oil would be on top, if it were
"organic" and "lighter."

"Oil is neither."

They all agreed water was heavier, and therefore if there was
some crack or other open area for this "Organic matter" to go
deep into the magma of Earth, water would have to go first and
oil would be left nearer the surface. This is reasonable. 
Even if we do agree that "magma" is a "crude mixture of
minerals or organic matters, in a thin pasty state" this does
not make it petroleum, and if it were petroleum it would have
stayed near the surface as heavier items, i.e. water seeped

My D. Van Nostrand "Scientific Encyclopedia" says "Magma is
the term for molten material. A natural, complex, liquid,
high temperature, silicate solution ancestral to all igneous
rocks,both intrusive and effusive. The origin of Magma is not
known." My "Oxford English Dictionary" does not even have the
word "Magma."

Some years ago I wrote two or three pages that appeared in
theMcGraw Hill Yearbook of Science and Technology, i.e.
"Railroad Engineering." Even that source is a bit uncertain
about the"origin of petroleum" to wit:

"Less than 1% of the organic matter that originates in or is
transported to the marine environment is eventually
incorporated into ocean sediment," and

"Most petroleum is formed during catagenesis (see below *).
If sufficient organic matter is present oceanic sediments that
undergo this process are potential petroleum sources. Deeply
buried marine organic matter yields mainly oil, whereas land
plant material yields mainly gas." (Their idea of "deeply
buried" is the "out.")

All this leaves us no where. I still go with Kantrowitz. 
Since oil is lighter than water, everywhere on Earth, there is
no way that petroleum could be an organic, fossil fuel that is
created on or near the surface, and penetrate Earth ahead of
water. Oil must originate far below and gradually work its
way up into well-depth areas accessible to surface drilling. 
It comes from far below. Therefore, petroleum is not a
"Fossil" fuel with a surface or near surface origin.

It was made to be thought a "Fossil" fuel by the Nineteenth
oil producers to create the concept that it was of limited
supply and therefore extremely valuable. This fits with the
"Depletion"allowance philosophical scam.

During one of our C.S.I.S. "International Nights" (1978) the
Common Market Energy boss, M. Montibrial of France, told us
that while petroleum was being marketed then for $20.00 per
barrel or more, it cost no more than 25 cents per barrel at
the well-head. There is our petroleum problem!  We were paying
more than $1.50-$1.60 per gallon, one 42nd of a barrel, at
that time. Interested folks need to learn more about the
Chartered Institute of Transport, and not waste their time
with OPEC, the "Cover" story.

Those who pumped the Pennsylvania wells "dry" during the late
eighteen hundreds saved what they had for those better days.

L. Fletcher Prouty


* in·vo·lu·tion (nv-l sh n) n. 
    3. A progressive decline or degeneration of normal
        physiological functioning occurring as a result of the aging
        process. Also called catagenesis . 


-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- FOLLOW-UP-LETTER -- -- -- -- 

Subject: FACTS, FACTS, and MORE FACTS! To: Col Prouty
Priority: Normal

Dear Len (and Col Prouty)

Stimulated by Col Prouty's assertion that OIL IS A NON-FOSSIL
FUEL -- I put my roadster in high gear -- and went prospecting
for some SOLID support! Well, I'm hear to tell you both, I DO
BELIEVE I've FOUND IT - in spades!


TITLE: Power from the Earth Deep Earth Gas -- Energy for the
Future by Thomas Gold [J.M. Dent & Sons, Ltd, London, 1987]
ISBN 0-460-04462-1

May I quote a few lines from from the front cover of the book
... a few words ... on


"Professor Thomas Gold is one of the great scientific thinkers
of our time and in Power from the Earth he puts forward a
highly revolutionary and controversial theory.

According to Gold, there are within the Earth virtually
limitless stores of energy in the form of gas and oil as yet
untapped. This energy is of non-biological origin and there is
far more of it in the Earth than geologists have ever imagined

--- Score 1 for Col Prouty!

At a time when the future supply of traditional fossil fuels
is said to be seriously limited and nuclear energy is becoming
ever more suspect, Gold's theory has vast implications for the
future of the Earth's energy supplies and is crucial to our
understanding of the deep processes that cause earthquakes and
volcanoes. His view also clearly has far reaching consequences
for the economic and political shape of the world.

--- Score 2 for Col Prouty!

In the past Professor Gold has explained the nature of pulsars
and solar flares, proved that the Earth's poles change
position over time, made new discoveries about the workings of
the human inner ear, and was the only scientist to predict
that Moon's surface consists of dust. His new theory has
already been grabbing the attention of the international press
and a drilling operation has been started in Sweden on the
basis of his idea.

In Power from the Earth Professor Gold puts forward one of the
most important scientific ideas of our age."

--- Well, having read the book, I can say I certainly concur
with THAT OPINION. And guess what -- Dr. Gold is a friend of
Arthur K. of AVCO LABS, etc....! BULLSEYE!

--- Score 3 for Col Prouty!

WHO IS THIS MAN....well listen up...

"Professor Thomas Gold, FRS, was born in Austria and educated
in Switzerland and England, where he became famous as an
astronomer at Cambridge in the post-war years. In 1956 he
moved to the United States to become a professor at Harvard.
He later became Professor of Astronomy at Cornell University,
where he founded and directed the world-famous Center for
Radiophysics and Space Research. He is a Fellow of the Royal
Society and of the United States National Academy of Sciences,
and in 1985 was awarded the Gold Medal by the Royal
Astronomical Scoiety. He now lives in Cambridge, England and
is an Honorary Fellow of Trinity College."

Not bad. Not bad at all.

In fact, I'm honored to have made his acquaintance.

---- Score 4 for Col Prouty


They say -- he coined the term magnetosphere in '59! I wonder
what HE THINKS is causing those black outs out West??? Falling
tree limbs? Now THAT's an interesting hypothesis! Maybe a bird
took out the TWA? Hey, it's just a theory, just a theory...

Ok ... now ... I hear some one murmuring

... "Well, if his Ideas are so good, so right, so profound --
JOURNAL ARTICLES ... you know ... and all that. I mean ... if
it's REEEEEEAL SCIENCE surely it's been recognized around the

As a matter of fact, it has!

My I introduce you both (if you have not been so introduced
prior to this letter) to the work and writings of P.N.

Ref: Kropotkin, P. N. (1985) Degassing of the Earth and the
Origin of Hydrocarbons, published in the International Geology
Review, 27, 1261-1275

P.N. Kroptkin -- who is with the Geological Institute of the
USSR Academy of Sciences, Moscow, it says in the header "has
long been a leading proponent of the INORGANIC ORIGIN OF
PETROLEUM, a THEORY which has had a continuous tradition of
support in Russia and the Soviet Union and a recent revival in
the United States and Western Europe."

Oh, well, better late than never!


THIS PAPER IS LOADED WITH FACTS! Anyone who thinks that Col
Prouty or Dr. Gold are spinning some kind of yarn ... HAD BEST
THESE MEN -- and I for one LOVE the Sound of THIS MUSIC!

May I share just one quote from the work of P.N. Kroptkin...
from page 1265 ... just one of many many AWESOME FACTS IN THIS

"Commerical oil pools in the basement rocks have been recorded
in 267 oil and gas deposits on different continents. In some,
oil is present at a depth of several hundred meters from its
surface; in the USSR, such pools are known in a number of
areas. A detailed analysis of the geological environment
suggests that in some of these deposits, OIL COULD NOT HAVE

---Score a HOME RUN for Col Prouty and Dr. Gold!!!!

Such is the Borolla deposit with pools in the Precambrian
granites of the Shillong plateau (eastern India), the Peace
River deposit in Western Canada associated with faults in the
basin of the Athabasca River which border the zone of the
pericratonic tough of the Canadian Shied, and the giganitc
deposits of the Hugoton-Panhandle region of the USA and the
Augila-Nafoora-Amal deposit in Libya. In the Hugoton-Panhandle
deposit, the upper Paleozoic sediments and the basement rocks
contain, in addition to oil, 2000 billion m^3 of fuel gases
and 10 billion m^3 of helium and its concentration in such
vast amounts over a small area may be explained, as earlier
noted by V. I. Vernadskiy, solely by the migration of gas from
a great depth, where faults drain huge volumes of rocks of the
lithosphere." ---------------

May I make a simple REQUEST TO COL PROUTY...

Sir. Please continue to provide YOUR PROVOCATIVE
us out in this media-blitzed wilderness LOVE TO DO RESEARCH.
WE WILL EFFORT to track down the details and WE WILL DO OUR
PART but KNOW WE NEED GUIDANCE and we beg you to continue to


My very BEST to you both of you & Len!


Daniel Reynolds Joyously Walking the grounds on which the
Wright Brothers grew to fame, and VERY HAPPLY to be able to
say so -- this day!

Petroleum Disscussion Update for March 1997

PRIMORDIAL by Toldedo Blade

SEATTLE - The public's most widely known piece of geological
knowledge--how petroleum and natual-gas deposts formed on
Earth---is false, a noted scientist says. Surprisingly, his
campaign to rewrite school textbooks and encyclopedias is
getting grudging support from some geologists, who acknowledge
that petroleum's origins may be dramatically different than
what people believe.

Millions of Americans learned in grade school that oil
deposits originated in the age of dinosaurs, when vegetation
in lush forests was buried and subjected to high heat and
pressure. Those extreme conditions supposedly transformed the
hydrocarbons in vegetation into the hydrocarbons of petroleum.

"That's nonsense," snapped Thomas Gold, a scientist at Cornell
University. "There's not a shred of evidence from chemistry,
geology, or any other science to support it. It has no place
in textbooks and school classrooms."

In appearances at the annual meeting of The American
Association for the Advancement of Science in Seattle here
that ended Thursday, Gold repeatedly challenged geologists to
reconsider and reject the conventional theory.

Gold also presented evidence that oil and gas deposits on
Earth are primordial. That means they came with the planet.
They were part of the original raw material that formed the
sun and planets, and deposited deep below Earth's surface when
the planet formed 4.5 billion years ago.

Some of the oil gradually oozes upward from these original
deposits 100 to 200 miles below the surface and collects where
oil drillers can reach it.

In one presentation, Gold described shafts that he and
associates drilled in an ancient meteorite impact crater in
Sweden. They drilled into a kind of rock that was not
sedimentary, not associated with the sediments believed to
produce oil deposits.

At a depth of about 4 miles, they encountered a hydrocarbon
oil similar to light petroleum that Gold believes was
primordial oil. He noted a variety of evidence to support the
belief. Gold estimated that this single site contained "more
petroleum than all of Saudi Arabia." With current technology,
however, pumping it out would be impossible, he added. Gold
contended that many other planets and planetary bodies in the
solar system have similar deep deposits of hydrocarbons, which
are the stuff of oil and natural gas. Gold argues that a
primordial origin for petroleum is the only way to explain its
chemical composition.

Petroleum originating from plant matter decayed by bacteria,
similar to bacteria that decay backyard garden-compost piles,
would resemble a microbial product. Instead, petroleum is
chemically similar to a pure hydrocarbon that has been
contaminated with microbial material. That contamination, he
argues, occurred as petroleum seeped upward through rock now
known to contain enormous amounts of bacterial life. In moving
upward, petroleum also collected helium, explaining why oil
wells are such a rich source of helium.

"This is the only possible explanation," Gold said. "The
association of helium with petroleum has not been accounted
for in any other way."

How do geologists respond?

They're beginning to listen, according to Michael Carr, who
appeared on a panel where Gold presented his theory. Carr is a
scientist with the U.S. Geological Survey in Reston, Va. "Dr.
Gold has some very, very good evidence, especially that
involving helium," Carr said. "He certainly is challenging the
geological community. There is a debate within the gological
community." Carr said geologists plan to reconsider the
conventional theory about petroleum formation at a major
meting later in the year.

Once again, Prouty's assertions are backed by solid, credible
people, and the next time Warren Commission apologists
pooh-pooh Prouty, citing Prouty's "obviously ridiculous" views
on petrol, just refer them to the above article.

Sustainable oil? 
May 25, 2004 
By Chris Bennett 
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com 

About 80 miles off of the coast of Louisiana lies a mostly
submerged mountain, the top of which is known as Eugene
Island. The portion underwater is an eerie-looking, sloping
tower jutting up from the depths of the Gulf of Mexico, with
deep fissures and perpendicular faults which spontaneously
spew natural gas. A significant reservoir of crude oil was
discovered nearby in the late '60s, and by 1970, a platform
named Eugene 330 was busily producing about 15,000 barrels a
day of high-quality crude oil.

By the late '80s, the platform's production had slipped to
less than 4,000 barrels per day, and was considered pumped
out. Done. Suddenly, in 1990, production soared back to 15,000
barrels a day, and the reserves which had been estimated at 60
million barrels in the '70s, were recalculated at 400 million
barrels. Interestingly, the measured geological age of the new
oil was quantifiably different than the oil pumped in the

Analysis of seismic recordings revealed the presence of a
"deep fault" at the base of the Eugene Island reservoir which
was gushing up a river of oil from some deeper and previously
unknown source.

Similar results were seen at other Gulf of Mexico oil wells.
Similar results were found in the Cook Inlet oil fields in
Alaska. Similar results were found in oil fields in
Uzbekistan. Similarly in the Middle East, where oil
exploration and extraction have been underway for at least the
last 20 years, known reserves have doubled. Currently there
are somewhere in the neighborhood of 680 billion barrels of
Middle East reserve oil.

Creating that much oil would take a big pile of dead dinosaurs
and fermenting prehistoric plants. Could there be another
source for crude oil?

An intriguing theory now permeating oil company research
staffs suggests that crude oil may actually be a natural
inorganic product, not a stepchild of unfathomable time and
organic degradation. The theory suggests there may be huge,
yet-to-be-discovered reserves of oil at depths that dwarf
current world estimates.

The theory is simple: Crude oil forms as a natural inorganic
process which occurs between the mantle and the crust,
somewhere between 5 and 20 miles deep. The proposed mechanism
is as follows:

Methane (CH4) is a common molecule found in quantity
throughout our solar system - huge concentrations exist at
great depth in the Earth.

At the mantle-crust interface, roughly 20,000 feet beneath the
surface, rapidly rising streams of compressed methane-based
gasses hit pockets of high temperature causing the
condensation of heavier hydrocarbons. The product of this
condensation is commonly known as crude oil.

Some compressed methane-based gasses migrate into pockets and
reservoirs we extract as "natural gas."

In the geologically "cooler," more tectonically stable regions
around the globe, the crude oil pools into reservoirs.

In the "hotter," more volcanic and tectonically active areas,
the oil and natural gas continue to condense and eventually to
oxidize, producing carbon dioxide and steam, which exits from
active volcanoes.

Periodically, depending on variations of geology and Earth
movement, oil seeps to the surface in quantity, creating the
vast oil-sand deposits of Canada and Venezuela, or the
continual seeps found beneath the Gulf of Mexico and

Periodically, depending on variations of geology, the vast,
deep pools of oil break free and replenish existing known
reserves of oil.

There are a number of observations across the oil-producing
regions of the globe that support this theory, and the list of
proponents begins with Mendelev (who created the periodic
table of elements) and includes Dr.Thomas Gold (founding
director of Cornell University Center for Radiophysics and
Space Research) and Dr. J.F. Kenney of Gas Resources
Corporations, Houston, Texas.

In his 1999 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," Dr. Gold presents
compelling evidence for inorganic oil formation. He notes that
geologic structures where oil is found all correspond to "deep
earth" formations, not the haphazard depositions we find with
sedimentary rock, associated fossils or even current surface

He also notes that oil extracted from varying depths from the
same oil field have the same chemistry - oil chemistry does
not vary as fossils vary with increasing depth. Also
interesting is the fact that oil is found in huge quantities
among geographic formations where assays of prehistoric life
are not sufficient to produce the existing reservoirs of oil.
Where then did it come from?

Another interesting fact is that every oil field throughout
the world has outgassing helium. Helium is so often present in
oil fields that helium detectors are used as oil-prospecting
tools. Helium is an inert gas known to be a fundamental
product of the radiological decay or uranium and thorium,
identified in quantity at great depths below the surface of
the earth, 200 and more miles below. It is not found in
meaningful quantities in areas that are not producing methane,
oil or natural gas. It is not a member of the dozen or so
common elements associated with life. It is found throughout
the solar system as a thoroughly inorganic product.

Even more intriguing is evidence that several oil reservoirs
around the globe are refilling themselves, such as the Eugene
Island reservoir - not from the sides, as would be expected
from cocurrent organic reservoirs, but from the bottom up.

Dr. Gold strongly believes that oil is a "renewable,
primordial soup continually manufactured by the Earth under
ultrahot conditions and tremendous pressures. As this
substance migrates toward the surface, it is attached by
bacteria, making it appear to have an organic origin dating
back to the dinosaurs."

Smaller oil companies and innovative teams are using this
theory to justify deep oil drilling in Alaska and the Gulf of
Mexico, among other locations, with some success. Dr. Kenney
is on record predicting that parts of Siberia contain a deep
reservoir of oil equal to or exceeding that already discovered
in the Middle East.

Could this be true?

In August 2002, in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences (US)," Dr. Kenney published a paper, which had a
partial title of " The genesis of hydrocarbons and the origin
of petroleum ." Dr. Kenney and three Russian coauthors

The Hydrogen-Carbon system does not spontaneously evolve
hydrocarbons at pressures less than 30 Kbar, even in the most
favorable environment. The H-C system evolves hydrocarbons
under pressures found in the mantle of the Earth and at
temperatures consistent with that environment.

He was quoted as stating that "competent physicists, chemists,
chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics
have known that natural petroleum does not evolve from
biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th
century. "

Deeply entrenched in our culture is the belief that at some
point in the relatively near future we will see the last
working pump on the last functioning oil well screech and
rattle, and that will be that. The end of the Age of Oil. And
unless we find another source of cheap energy, the world will
rapidly become a much darker and dangerous place.

If Dr. Gold and Dr. Kenney are correct, this "the end of the
world as we know it" scenario simply won't happen. Think about
it ... while not inexhaustible, deep Earth reserves of
inorganic crude oil and commercially feasible extraction would
provide the world with generations of low-cost fuel. Dr. Gold
has been quoted saying that current worldwide reserves of
crude oil could be off by a factor of over 100.

A Hedberg Conference, sponsored by the American Association of
Petroleum Geologists, was scheduled to discuss and publicly
debate this issue. Papers were solicited from interested
academics and professionals. The conference was scheduled to
begin June 9, 2003, but was canceled at the last minute. A new
date has yet to be set.

Related links:

Gas Origin Theories To Be Studied

The Mystery Of Eugene Island 330

Odd Reservoir Off Louisiana Prods Oil Experts To Seek A Deeper

Fuel's Paradise

Chris Bennett manages an environmental engineering division
for a West Coast technology firm. He and his wife of 26 years
make their home on the San Francisco Bay .



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