9/11: The definitive investigation?


Richard Moore


Sorry to be silent for so long. It was my birthday last week,
and after an all-night party I decided to take a few days off
and visit some friends in Cork. Now back at work on the
current chapter, which is progressing steadily, and which
covers some very difficult ground. I tend to use my screen
time for that, and am thus a bit remiss in regular postings. I
still have some dialog messages queued up that need to be
posted soon.

Below is something that just came in, and stood out as being
significant enough to deserve immediate posting. It's a radio
interview with Stanley Hilton, attorney for the "9/11
Taxpayers' Lawsuit". He claims to have concrete evidence--both
documentary and eyewitness--that Bush personally signed the
orders for the events of 9/11, and that the events were
rehearsed ahead of time on at least 35 occasions. He's gotten
sworn depositions from insiders in the FBI, FEMA, NORAD,
and the Air Force, and they've leaked internal documents to him
as well.

The radio-interview format gives us a text which is repetitive
and which jumps around from topic to topic, but it's worth
wading through that in this case to find the meaty bits. This
investigation has a bearing on the 9/11 issue, as well as on 
the coup issue.

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                   The Bush Junta Unmasked

SH: This [9/11] was all planned. This was a government-ordered
operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally
authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass

Interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 9/11 taxpayers' lawsuit
Alex Jones Radio Show
September 10, 2004
Transcription by 'RatCat'

AJ: He is back with us. He is former Bob Dole's chief of
staff, very successful counselor, lawyer. He represents
hundreds of the victims families of 9/11. He is suing Bush for
involvement in 9/11. Now a major Zogby poll out - half of New
Yorkers think the government was involved in 9/11. And joining
us for the next 35 minutes, into the next hour, is Stanley
Hilton. Stanley, it's great to have you on with us.

SH: Glad to be on.

AJ: We'll have to recap this when we start the next hour, but
just in a nutshell, you have a lawsuit going, you've deposed a
lot of military officers. You know the truth of 9/11. Just in
a nutshell, what is your case alleging?

SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and
Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all
involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to
happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally
ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating
documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally
ordered this event to happen in order to gain political
advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the
neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also
wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with
some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the
late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others
and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk
about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis
on this very subject - how to turn the U.S. into a
presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl
Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at
least 35 years.

AJ: That's right. They were all Straussian followers of a
Nazi-like professor. And now they are setting it up here in
America. Stanley, I know you deposed a lot of people and
you've got your $7 million dollar lawsuit with hundreds of the
victim's families involved·.

SH: 7 billion, 7 billion

AJ: Yeah, 7 billion. Can you go over some of the new and
incriminating evidence you've got of them ordering the attack?

SH: Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers' class
action lawsuit as well as a suit on behalf of the families and
the basic three arguments are they violated the Constitution
by ordering this event. And secondly that they [garbled]
fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 31 of the U.S. Code in
which Bush presented false and fraudulent evidence to Congress
to get the Iraq war authorization. And, of course, he related
it to 9/11 and claimed that Saddam was involved with that, and
all these lies.

AJ: Tell you what, stay there. Stanley, we've got to break.
Let's come back and get into the evidence.


AJ: All right my friends, second hour, September 10th, 2004,
the anniversary of the globalist attack coming up tomorrow.
It's an amazing individual we have on the line. Bob Dole's
former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went
to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about
how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl
Harbor attack. He's suing the U.S. government for carrying out
9/11. He has hundreds of the victims' families signing onto it
- it's a $7 billion lawsuit. And he is Stanley Hilton. I know
that a lot of stations just joined us in Los Angeles and Rhode
Island and Missouri and Florida and all over. Please sir,
recap what you were just stating and then let's get into the
new evidence. And then we'll get into why you are being
harassed by the FBI, as other FBI people are being harassed
who have been blowing the whistle on this. So, this is really
getting serious. Stanley, tell us all about it.

SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleezza Rice, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only
allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we
retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them.
The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double
agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in
this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI
informant in San Diego and other places. And this was a
direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George
W. Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence,
documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It's not just
incompetence - in spite of the fact that he is incompetent.
The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it. He, at
one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he
appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th -
when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear
the [garbled] words about this he listened to kids reading the
pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal.
These people had dress-rehearsed this many times. He had seen
simulated videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian
slip a few months later at a California press conference when
he said he had, quote, "seen on television the first plane
attack the first tower." And that could not be possible
because there was no video. What it was was the simulated
video that he had gone over. So this was a personally
government-ordered thing.

We are suing them under the Constitution for violating
Americans' rights, as well as under the federal Fraudulent
Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress to
justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains.
And also, under the RICO statute, under the Racketeering
Corrupt Organization Act, for being a corrupt entity.

And I've been harassed personally by the chief judge of the
federal court who is instructing me personally to drop this
suit, threatened to kick me off the court, after 30 years on
the court. I've been harassed by the FBI. My staff has been
harassed and threatened. My office has been broken into and
this is the kind of government we are dealing with.

AJ: Absolutely and now it has come out - five separate drills
of flying hijacked jets into buildings that morning - which
you told us about before it even broke in the Associated
Press. They were trying to get out ahead of you. You talked
about how you interviewed military people who were told it was
a drill that morning. Then to get out ahead of that, the news
finally reported on it. Now, we've learned that all these
operations - I want to get into that, I want to talk about the
new incriminating evidence of ordering it and how they had
drilled on this, how Cheney was in the bunker controlling
this. That has even come out in the mainstream news but they
won't release the details of that, Stanley. But what type of
FBI harassment are you going through?

SH: First of all, my office was burglarized in San Francisco
several months ago. Files were gone through and some files
were seized - particularly the ones dealing with the lady that
was married to one of the hijackers. Fortunately, I had spare
copies in a hidden place so nothing disappeared permanently.
But more significantly, FBI agents have been harassing one of
my staff members and threatening them with vague but
frightening threats of indicting them. And it's just total
harassment. They have planted a spy, an undercover agent, in
my organization, as we just recently discovered. In other
words, these are Nazi Germany tactics. This is the kind of
government you have in this country. This is what Bush is all

AJ: Stay there, Stanley, Bob Dole's former chief of staff.
We'll come back after this quick break. Please stay with us.


AJ: All right, eight minutes, 25 seconds into the second hour.
Stanley Hilton, political scientist, lawyer, Bob Dole's former
chief of staff, is suing the government for 7 billion dollars
for carrying out 9/11 and for racketeering. And he joins us
now. During the break, I first really did the big interview
with Stanley Hilton after I saw him attacked on Fox News. And
that interview got massive attention. And then he kind of went
underground for a while because a judge, we're going to talk
about that, ordered him to not do any more interviews. And now
he's back doing interviews. He's had his office broken into,
FBI threats and harassment. Bottom line, he has deposed
military individuals, wives of hijackers, you name it, it was
a government operation. It has even come out in mainstream
news, a piece here, a piece there. They had drills on 9/11,
that's why NORAD stood down. Cheney was in control of the
whole thing. Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how
Bush ordered the whole operation. And I'll tell you right now,
his life is in danger, folks. And he's got so much courage. He
went to school with these neocons at the University of
Chicago. He wrote his thesis on how the government could use
terrorist attacks to set up martial law. He is the man for the
time and folks wondered why he disappeared for a while and
just did his lawsuit and wasn't doing interviews, it was
because he was ordered to.

Stanley, can you get into that for us?

SH: I did an interview with you, Alex, back in March of 2003,
about a year and a half ago, and literally two weeks after
that, I was contacted by the emissary of the chief judge of
the federal court where I have the lawsuit. And I was warned
not to publicize it but to keep it quiet and threatened with
discipline. And it remained quiet until a couple of months ago
and then I got on the air on some programs and some publicity
and· July 1st, I was threatened directly by the chief judge
here, threatened with court discipline. This particular judge
has been circulating communiqués to the other federal judges
seeking anything negative she can get against me to try and
discipline me after I've been on the court here for 30 years
with no disciplinary problems at all. This is suddenly
happening. And her assistants who are on the committee of the
court met with me on July 1st in Palo Alto, California, and
threatened me directly. They handed me a copy of the lawsuit
and said that the judge wants me to dismiss this. What's this?
She doesn't like the content of it. This is politically
incorrect. This is outside the norm. I said I represented more
than 400 plaintiffs, how am I going to dismiss this case? And
they threatened me directly and they said, "the next time
you'll be disciplined." And also they've threatened me not to
go public, etc. And this is just outrageous·.

AJ: It's all color of law. No direct orders, just all in your

SH: They sent a letter out, and of course they deny it's
because of the political content of the suit but they told me
directly on the phone that it is because of this suit and this
judge is very, very angry, apparently has been in contact with
Ashcroft's Justice Department. I got a call from Ashcroft's
Justice Department a few months ago about this, demanding that
I drop the suit, threatening sanctions and all kinds of
things. I refused to drop it.

AJ: Now let's go back over, you had them break into your
office, harassment. Let's go over that in detail.

SH: My office was broken into about 6 months ago. The file
cabinets - it was obvious they had been rifled through. Files
were stolen. Files dealing with this particular case and
particularly with the documents I had regarding the fact that
the - some of these hijackers, at least some of them were on
the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover FBI, CIA,
double agents. They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. And,
in effect, all this led up to the effect that al Qaeda is a
creation of the George Bush administration, basically. That
the entity that he called al Qaeda is directly linked to
George Bush. And all this stuff was stolen. Fortunately, I had
copies. But this was just part of the harassment. The FBI has
also been harassing some of my assistants and has planted a
spy in our midst. And it is just outrageous that these Nazi
tactics are being used - and the obstruction of justice, these
people are criminals. And that's what's happening under the
tremendous pressure here to just drop it. Or to shut up now
and just go away.

AJ: Now, let's talk about what they want you to drop. Let's
talk about, without giving names, the people you deposed, what
really happened, the picture you've got. You said earlier that
Bush ordered this, they were simulating this which they now
admit there were simulations on that morning. Let's go over
what they don't want you to talk about, Stanley.

SH: We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn
statements from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants,
etc., that other officials in the Pentagon and the military
and the Air Force that deal with the fact that there were many
drills, many rehearsals for 9/11 before it happened. Bush had
seen this simulated on TV many times. He blurted this out at a
press conference in California a few months after 9/11 where
he said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit the first
building on the video. And that's not possible because there
was no official video of that. There was one of the second
plane not the first one. He had seen the first one.

We do have some incriminating documents that Bush personally
ordered 9/11 events. It was well planned. A FEMA official has
admitted on tape that he was there the night before -
September 10th, that is ·

AJ: And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911
Commission, admitted that - Tripod II. They had their whole
command post already moved out of Building 7. Now, this is
very, very important. This is a key area of this whole event.
You said months before it came out on the CIA's own website
and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people. They said
there were drills that morning and exactly what happened,
happening - that was the smoke-screen for the stand-down. And
then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah
we were running a drill that morning. Now, we've learned that
five, possibly six, were confirmed. Five of these - one drill
with the exact same thing happening that actually happened, at
the exact same time in the morning. That's why NORAD stood
down with 24 different blips on the screen. You've said this.
You brought this up first. Now, I know you can't get too much
into detail but can you tell us how you learned of this?

SH: I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force.
I personally toured NORAD many years ago around the time that
I worked for Dole. I'm very familiar with the operations at
Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs, where NORAD is.
Individuals that work in NORAD as well as the Air Force have
stated this, off the record, but the point is, yes, this was
not just five drills but at least 35 drills over at least two
months before September 11th. Everything was planned, the
exact location··

AJ: But five drills that day.

SH: That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill.
That's the only explanation for why he appeared nonchalant···

AJ: We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic
controllers going, "Is this part of the exercise? Is this a

SH: Yes.

AJ: On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was,
quote, a drill.

SH: That's right. That's exactly what I said long before it
became public. I've known about this since earlier in March of
'03, as I stated before. This was all planned. This was a
government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the
order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of
treason and mass murder. And now, obstruction of justice by
attempting to use a federal judge and FBI agents to inhibit a
legitimate civil lawsuit in this country, in federal court.
Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and threaten
me personally for representing legitimate plaintiffs. And they
got Clinton for allegedly lying under oath about Paula Jones
and now - look what's happening now. And Ken Starr used to be
across from me in Duke Law School in the early `70s and it's
interesting that he got away with trying to get Clinton
impeached, so we have a far worse criminal sitting in the oval
office today - somebody guilty of mass murder as well as
obstruction of justice.

AJ: Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to
fly planes into buildings - said it all over television -
Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. And then we find out
they were running all these drills that morning. Even if they
weren't involved, that proves they were liars about ever
hearing of such a plan.

SH: Well, I'm trying to take their depositions - I've been
trying to take their depositions for months. They've been
trying to object to it. They will have to admit they were
either lying then or now. It's clearly perjury either way.
They are liars and perjurers; that's what they are. These are
the people that we have running this government and, of
course, they knew about it. How are they going to claim now
that they didn't know about these drills? Their idea is that
nobody knew anything. It's the old know-nothing mentality. And
how anybody considers this believable is beyond me.

AJ: All right, now people ask how could a huge organization,
how could the AWACs, how could the military let this happen;
whereas before, if your Cessna got off course for five
minutes, they would launch F-16s on you. It's real simple.
It's what Stanley Hilton said here a year and a half ago. It's
what came out in the news after that. The military, good
people, were told this was all a drill. And it was not a
drill. And ABC News admits that Cheney was in control of [?]
out of the White House [?] and that he ordered the military to
quote "do something." Our inside sources from Hilton and
others say it was a stand down and they admit they will not
release that under national security. Stanley?

SH: Well they are going to admit it, they're going to release
it in the court case because if you demand it under subpoena
powers and they must release it. And part of our lawsuit is
brought in the name of the U.S. because under the federal
fraudulent [Claims Act], we accuse the Bush Administration of
presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress. And under the
statutes of Title 31 of the U.S. code, they must release this
information. That's why they are trying to threaten me, harass
me, invade my office, steal my files, commit blatant
obstruction of justice and other crimes to try and prevent a
legitimate civil suit from exposing these criminals and their
acts of treason and mass murder.

AJ: I think you need to publicly tell folks that you are not
planning suicide. Would you like to tell folks that?

SH: (laughs) I'm not planning suicide. I've got family and I'm
not planning that but I don't like the threats I'm under - but
I can tell you this, it's taking a toll emotionally on me and
my staff. And particularly, when you get a threat from the
chief judge of your own court.

AJ: Why have you decided to go public again after a year of
being under the radar?

SH: Because the more and more evidence that I've been adducing
over a year and a half has made it so obvious to me that this
was now without any doubt a government operation and that it
amounts to the biggest act of treason and mass murder in
American history. I mean George Bush makes Benedict Arnold
look like a patriot. He makes Benedict Arnold look like George
Washington. I mean that's what we have - a criminal and a
traitor sitting in the White House pretending he's a patriot,
wrapping himself in the flag. And it's pretty disgusting
because the other side of the so-called opposition, the Kerry
camp is just saying nothing because they're afraid to speak.

AJ: Stay right there. We'll be right back.


AJ: Stanley Hilton will be with us for another 15 or 16
minutes. Then he's got to go into court. Bob Dole's former
chief of staff, political scientist, lawyer, represents 400
plus plaintiffs - most of them victims of 9/11. When I was in
New York last week, everybody I was talking to, I mean 90 plus
percent of them at ground zero - "I had family, I worked in
the buildings, my son's a Navy Seal - he called the night
before and said don't go to work." You know, all of this, and
then now they never had any idea - and it turns out they had
all these drills - and one drill of hijacked jets flying into
the World Trade Center and Pentagon at 8:30 in the morning.
That morning - come on people! And Stanley Hilton brought all
this out on this show before it was in the mainstream news.
And I was talking to him during the break. I mean, the
harassment, the moles, the threatening of his staff, the judge
threatening him. Stanley, let's get specifically into the
documents that you have now got that they have now been
robbing you for, that you luckily, thank God had copies.
Specifically, Bush ordering this. Can you get into that for us
- ordering 9/11?

SH: National Security Council classified documents which
[garbled] and it's was part of a series of documents that were
involved with the drill documents. This was all planned - they
had it on videotape. These planes were controlled by remote
control, as I stated previously a year and a half ago, there's
a system called Cyclops. There is a computer chip in the nose
of the plane and it enables the ground control, the military
ground control, to disable the pilot's control of the plane
and to control it and to fly it directly into those towers.
That's what happened. It's also a technology used on what's
called the Global Hawk, which is an aircraft drone - a remote-
controlled aircraft. And they were doing it. We are talking
about National Security Council classified documents that
clearly indicated that [garbled] had a green light to order
this to go and this is no drill. These drills that were
running were clearly a dress rehearsal and this was a
government operation. You wonder why these people are trying
to threaten people and trying to intimidate people who have
written this suit, I guess if you murdered 3000 of your own
citizens, in conjunction with the corrupt Royal family of
Saudi Arabia as Bush did. And if you then waste billions more
on a worthless garbage war in Iraq, I guess you've got
something to worry about and you want to threaten people to
prevent it from coming out.

AJ: I mean let's look at this. Not only are there dress
rehearsals, they are smoke screens so the good military stands
down and doesn't know what's happening. But it's now coming
out, even in mainstream news, that yes these drills were going
on. Yes, and some of these drills, quote, passenger-type jets
were under remote control - this is decades old technology. In
1958, NORAD was [ ] old jets and using them for target
practice. Decades ago they flew jumbo jets from LA to Sidney
Australia. So since that's going on, everybody knows that. And
it's the same MO. Just like the first World Trade Center
[bombing] where they get two retarded men who followed this
blind sheik who had a tiny mosque above a pizza parlor. And
they set them up as the patsies. Then the FBI cooks the bomb,
trains the drivers. This informant goes, "You're not going to
bomb the building? They go "Yeah, we're letting it go
forward." He tapes them to protect themselves. The two
retarded gentlemen, thank God, didn't park it up against the
column, as the FBI instructed them to do, so it didn't bring
down the tower - because you have to be right up against the
column. That doesn't happen. Yet, it's the same thing with
9/11. You've got these CIA agents, these Arabs, who were
trained at U.S. military bases, Pensacola Naval Air Station -
mainstream media, out creating their legends for this
background. They're on board the aircraft. My military sources
say nerve gas kills everybody on board the plane - nerve gas
packets. Then they fly the planes into buildings. From your
inside sources, is that accurate?

SH: It's one of the things that we are looking into - that
nerve gas or something else disabled people. It's possible. I
can't say for sure to be honest with you·

AJ: All you know is they were government agents and they were
on board and the planes were remote controlled.

SH: Yeah, it was basically a smokescreen. I mean, the events
of the hijackings, how someone snuck in those cutters, it was
a plant. It was like a classic decoy. I've got some military
background. And it's called decoy. It's a decoy operation. You
make the people focus on the decoy to avoid looking at the
real criminals. So they are focusing on these so-called
nineteen hijackers and saying, "Oh, it must have been these
Arabs. When, in fact, the guilty person is at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue - sitting in the oval office. That's the
guilty person. That's the one who authorized it. There is only
one man who could have authorized this operation and that's
Bush. And anyone at NORAD will tell you as I have been told
personally at NORAD in the war control room, there is only one
man who has the power to do this kind of thing and that's
Bush. Even though many believe he's a puppet. And I think in
many ways he is. The fact of the matter is where was [ ]
Cheney, Rumsfeld and these other traitors. The fact is Bush
personally ordered and he's guilty and liable and he's going
to be re-elected apparently because the media's asleep and
[garbled] for Bush.

AJ: Well, the media is owned by the same military industrial
complex that carried out the attacks.

SH: Yeah, the media is only interested in maintaining the
official government fantasy that this was a little lone Arab.
These Arabs couldn't even steer that plane down a runway.

AJ: Stay there Stanley, final segment coming up.


AJ: Mr. Hilton, when you talk to these FBI agents, when you
talk to these military men and women, what's their attitude?
They've got to be pretty freaked out to have the big picture
and know what actually happened on 9/11.

SH: Yes, you know it's like clouds just before a thunderstorm
in the sense that they are sort of pregnant with rage. They
are just enraged at the criminal politicians who have
perverted and misused the government to murder its own
citizens and pursue these dubious political ends. And many of
them, in increasing numbers, are willing to talk and will talk
under subpoena - but only under subpoena because the official
party line of the government is shut up and don't talk to the
trial lawyer. But more and more, they are very outraged that
part of the government has done this to its own people, to its
own people. I mean you have to go back to Stalin to see
something - not even Hitler did this to his own people. You
have to look at Stalin who murdered the Kulaks, the Russians
for his own dubious gains. Also we've got - we have a
Stalinist mentality in this country. And, if these people pose
as patriots and wrap themselves in the flag, it's disgusting.

I wanted also to point out that the Japanese television
network, Asahi, is going to be airing a special on primetime
tomorrow, on September 11th. They interviewed me for eight
hours a couple of weeks ago. I'll be on that. I wish - of
course, the America media don't care so they are not going to
care. But in Japan, people are very serious in interviewing me
and others. And we have a website now, called deprogram.info,
if more people are interested: www.deprogram.info.

But the other thing, I just wanted to say that if anything
happens to me - and I don't know why - because I'm being
threatened here now. And it seems you can't bring a case in
this country anymore against criminals in power without being
threatened. And this is how they operate. The stakes are
pretty high when you've got a world historical level of
treason and fraud by this government against it's own people.
I guess this is what you have to expect.

AJ: Stanley, the globalists, the new world order crowd,
definitely intend to carry out more terror attacks. I know
they would have carried out more attacks if we wouldn't have
done what we've been up to, if you wouldn't have been out
there boldly speaking out and many others. And then their
electronic Berlin wall has a bunch of cracks in it now. Thanks
to good people like yourself and many others who are speaking
out and telling the truth. But do you think that they may
carry out what they've been hyping - a suitcase nuke attack, a
biological release to try to smokescreen all of this? I know
it's a catch 22, you've got to expose the murderers. We've got
to get the word out on this but some government people that
I've talk to say, "Yeah, but if you do that, they are going to
go even more hard core and must totally try to take over." But
I say regardless, they are already doing that. So what do you
say to that?

SH: Well, yeah, I think they have an agenda. They have
contingency plans. I think they are laying low now because
there are an increasing number of people, like myself, who are
openly challenging them and accusing them of criminal conduct.
I think they would have done it again if we had not spoken up.
I think they're planning, what they would like to do is
silence any dissenters. That's why we are trying to get the
Patriot Act declared unconstitutional in this lawsuit also.

AJ: Let's talk about polls. In the beginning a patriot is a
scarce man, hated and feared, but in time when his cause
succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to
be a patriot. You are one of those guys who hit the barbwire
for us, or figuratively jumped on the hand grenade for
America. But when you've got a Zogby poll, who is highly
respected, half of New Yorkers believe that the government was
involved. When you have a Canadian poll, 63% on average
believe that the U.S. government was involved. And some
groups, as high as 76% in polls believe the government was
involved. European polls, two- thirds show the same thing. We
have German defense ministers and technology ministers and
another member of their government now, three of them going
public, known conservatives, and progressives. You have an
environment minister, Michael Meacher, saying that if they
didn't do it, they sure as hell knew what was going on. Look,
if anybody who is a thinking person looks at the evidence,
their official story is impossible. Then you investigate and
they are involved in it. Comments to this massive awakening
and what's happening.

SH: Well, I think that's why they want the Patriot Act to
suppress political dissent. They have to, they're
anticipating, they are not dumb individuals. I know these
people personally, Wolfowitz. These are criminal individuals
but they are smart and so they anticipated political dissent.
And that's why, like the Nazis, their forebears, and their
blood brothers, the Nazis and the Stalinists, they're all for
political repression. Every corrupt and criminal government
has done this - they suppress their own people: Nazi Germany,
Communist Russia, Mao Tse-Tung, that's why we have the Patriot
Act. So it's hand in hand. They had it planned to go right up
to September 11th, this was all part of the plan. You have to
do it. It was part of my senior thesis. You must follow
through the terrorists attacks with a political suppression
mechanism in the law. And that's why they want Patriot I and
Patriot II and their plans are to continue launching more
terrorist attacks to justify even more repression. The goal is
to make this a one party dictatorship in this country, to
pursue their dubious ends with their blood brothers like the
Saudi Royal family. And also, historical blood brothers, such
as the Nazi Germany and the Communist Russian. That's the goal

AJ: You've got to go in just a minute or two. But I wanted to
also tell you about New York. Sound cannons that are used in
Iraq, they're against us. Men in black ski masks. 41,000
police, accredited media being arrested randomly. Children
being arrested, people in wheelchairs, 2000 plus people put in
a camp with barbwire fences inside with no bathrooms. You had
to have permission to go to the porta-potties. Police
screaming at you. It had nothing to do with terrorism. They
are openly setting the precedent for martial law.

SH: Well, that's right, the word terrorist is now being overly
broad and overly defined [garbled] and also, you know, it's
like the word communist was used for anything during the
McCarthy witch hunt. And anybody can be called a terrorist by
Bush's definition. But the irony is that the number one
terrorist in the world is living at the White House at the
oval office today. That's the real irony. For sheer hypocrisy,
I think he deserves the world prize and ought to be in the
Ripley book, Believe It or Not, and the Guinness book of world
records for sheer brazen chicanery and fraud.

AJ: Let me ask you a question on this because this is the
experience that I had. Watching television, watching the
killers, watching those that are guilty, stand up there as our
saviors is incredibly painful. It's like watching Ted Bundy
being the judge at his own trial. I mean it is just painful to
know who these people are. To see them putting America in a
shredder. Now we are going to have forced psychological
testing of every American, forced drugging, you know
Pan-American unions, I mean it's just all happening, it's in
our face, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, it's very disturbing and as one who has studied the
theory and concept of dictatorships, I personally interviewed
Albert Speer, who was Hitler's armaments minister. I
interviewed him in 1981 in Munich. And I've studied the
psychology and history of totalitarianism and there is no
question that it's very frightening. And it has, today, with
high technology, albeit for the first time in history, the
chance of having a world empire dominated by corrupt,
technologically oriented government - an elite government. And
they've got now what people like Napoleon and Hitler didn't
have, which is the technological means to dominate not only
their own country but others - the world.

AJ: The answer is to expose them as the terrorists, to show
how PNAC [Project for the New American Century] said we need
helpful Pearl Harbor events, to show how Northwoods called for
the exact 9/11-style attacks, to show their own plans. And to
force people to face this horror. What are they going to do in
a year or two when 80% of us, not half of us, know the truth?

SH: Well, that's why they want repression and, then again, the
ancient old diversion, launch another terrorist attack to get
people to pitch it away. I mean who knows what they'll do
next. I mean their capacity for ingenious creation of these
events is sort of unraveled. I mean there is no limit. My
guess is they are going to try another stunt - maybe a stunt
just before the election to justify getting Bush reelected.
Although it seems like he is running against a straw man or a
ghost right now, anyway. But, my guess is they'll try some
other tactic to get people's attention away from 9/11 if it
gets to be too much attention. What you really want is for the
public to just lose interest because the public - and it's
like remember the Alamo, you know, people don't forget things
like that. To me it's like the Alamo, remember 9/11, that
ought to be the slogan for this outrageous act of treason.
That's what it is. It's not··

AJ: We are at a crossroads, I don't think they anticipated
this much resistance, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, I hope they are truly wrong and as incompetent as
they are corrupt and guilty. That means their incompetence is
exceeded only by their corruption and their guilt. And
eventually, if enough people are going to get outraged enough,
these people in the bureaucracy and in the civil service and
our military, and eventually we can get people under subpoena
these individuals will be exposed.

AJ: Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being nave
and not recognizing evil. This is what they got with Hitler
and others. People couldn't recognize evil so they continued
to repeat succumbing to it. We are recognizing it this time.
We are putting our lives, our treasure, our future on the line
for freedom because we cannot let these blood-thirsty control
freak terrorists capture us and use us and turn us into the
empire and have a draft and use us as their slaves to invade
the planet. And that's their PNAC plan. Stanley Hilton, I know
you've got to get to court. God bless you. I want to thank you
for being here with us today. Can we get you back on next

SH: Sure, just give me a call.

AJ: God bless you my friend. Any closing comments?

SH: My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just
think about the consequence of having someone like Bush in the
White House and the danger for the future that these sorts of
individuals pose. This is not just a historical event of the
past. This is part of the plan and the camera is still
rolling. They have an agenda. These individuals are extremely
dangerous. They are armed and dangerous. They pose a clear and
dangerous threat to every freedom-loving person not only
American but in the whole world.

AJ: You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton. They have
captured the government. They have not captured the peoples'
minds and they are counting on us not facing up to it.

SH: And they are counting on the repressive Patriot Act and
threats and chief judges and FBI agents threatening people who
are exposing them. That's what they are counting on.

AJ: But you're not backing down are you, my friend.

SH: No, I'm not

AJ: Well, we all stand with you, my brother, and God bless

SH: All right. Thank you.

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